WWWTT Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Also referred to as "double jeopardy" What double jeopardy? You were referring to time spent in jail while waiting trail. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 That has nothing to do with the thing we're discussing. It was a response to a quote saying nothing in the constitution has to do with extra time granted for time spent in remand. So apparently it does have something to do with the discussion. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 That is not the same and is in no way related to double jeopardy Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 That is not the same and is in no way related to double jeopardy Oh yes it is. Time spent in remand does not count toward penalty countdown. That's why the charter allows judges to grant extra time credit. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 What? No. Tim served counts as time served towards your sentence unless more time (the maximum now being 1.5) is given. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 What? No. Tim served counts as time served towards your sentence unless more time (the maximum now being 1.5) is given. Only at judges discretion. It's not automatic. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 No, it doesn't work like that. It's governed by precedence, and the precedence is to give the maximum time allowed. None of that though, has anything to do with double jeopardy. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 No, it doesn't work like that. It's governed by precedence, and the precedence is to give the maximum time allowed. None of that though, has anything to do with double jeopardy. Put "" around double jeopardy. In the legal jargin of the charter is has to do with being punished twice. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 No one is being punished twice. It's completely unrelated to this issue. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 No one is being punished twice. It's completely unrelated to this issue. Harper at odds with the constitution/supreme court has nothing to do with this discussion? Remand time is considered being punished twice which is why judges grant extra time. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 That doesn't even make sense. It has nothing to do with being punished twice. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 That doesn't even make sense. It has nothing to do with being punished twice. Let me spell it out fairly simply. Time spent in remand could enfd up in you being found not guilty and too bad about that time. If you do get found guilty the remand doesn't count against the sentence. The judge can offset that so you are not punished twice by the time spent in remand. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) The remand does count against the sentence. The precedence for that was set a long time ago. That still has nothing to do with being punished twice for the same crime. I've never even heard of it relating to this before. Edited May 7, 2014 by Smallc Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 The remand does count against the sentence. The precedence for that was set a long time ago. That still has nothing to do with being punished twice for the same crime. I've never even heard of it relating to this before. It does not count in the same way time counts after sentencing. The added time credit allowed by a judge evens that up. Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 It does not count in the same way time counts after sentencing. The added time credit allowed by a judge evens that up. It counts towards the sentence, but not towards early release. Good. There shouldn't be early release anyway. Much of the system is still a sad joke. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 It counts towards the sentence, but not towards early release. Good. There shouldn't be early release anyway. Much of the system is still a sad joke. Well of course you are allowed your opinion, however consider this: would you rather just keep someone behind bars for whatever the sentence was and then release them, without any attempt at re-integration? Quote
Smallc Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Well of course you are allowed your opinion, however consider this: would you rather just keep someone behind bars for whatever the sentence was and then release them, without any attempt at re-integration? We can't do that at the end? Does this have to be an either or thing? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 We can't do that at the end? Does this have to be an either or thing? We do that at the end. The granting of extra time propels a convict along the system at the same speed as if they had been convicted and sentenced the same day of the crime, which of course is impossible. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 (edited) Eleven former Canadian Bar Association Presidents sign an open letter to Stephen Harper. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/harpers-disrespect-for-the-supreme-court-harms-the-workings-of-government/article18478269/ Edited May 7, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Eleven former Canadian Bar Association Presidents sign an open letter to Stephen Harper. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/harpers-disrespect-for-the-supreme-court-harms-the-workings-of-government/article18478269/ We certainly need to get things back on an even keel, as the last paragraph of this letter suggests. Otherwise we got some serious problems! Quote
ReeferMadness Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 There are two deeply troubling trends at play: - Harper politicizing what is supposed to be a non-political office (as he did previously with Elections Canada and with the Governor General when he prorogued parliament to save his political ass) - Harper thumbing his nose at an overwhelming consensus of expert opinion (as he has done practically constantly through his time in office) What makes these trends so disturbing is that Harper's base is evidently so ignorant and/or so ideologically committed that they will support him apparently unconditionally. These people are so paranoid, hyper-partisan or anti-government that no amount of information, logic or expertise will put any dent in their views. It's kind of scary, actually. It makes me wonder how far they would follow him. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 On top of that, you have to wonder why the PMO waited close to a year before complaining about the call. Maybe this is to rally his deeply ignorant (but wealthy) base before the election to start filling his coffers. Picking a fight with the Supreme Court (which is much despised by his very wealthy but deeply ignorant base) might just be an electioneering ploy. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 Did I mention that his base has a lot of money but isn't very well informed? Just checking. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted May 7, 2014 Report Posted May 7, 2014 There are two deeply troubling trends at play: - Harper politicizing what is supposed to be a non-political office (as he did previously with Elections Canada and with the Governor General when he prorogued parliament to save his political ass) - Harper thumbing his nose at an overwhelming consensus of expert opinion (as he has done practically constantly through his time in office) What makes these trends so disturbing is that Harper's base is evidently so ignorant and/or so ideologically committed that they will support him apparently unconditionally. These people are so paranoid, hyper-partisan or anti-government that no amount of information, logic or expertise will put any dent in their views. It's kind of scary, actually. It makes me wonder how far they would follow him. Now there's some scary thoughts. I agree with your points. Let's hope we can head 'em off at the pass at the next election. I'll have no problem casting a ballot, I've lived in the same place for 27 years. I wonder about the guyI see at the bus stop downtown with his sign that says he's lost his job and can you help me out. He seems like a decent guy, I don't know why he lost his job, he's certainly not alone, and he probalby has a right to vote. I wonder if he will be able to. If he does I bet he doesn't vote for Harper. Just a guess. Quote
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