DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 At any rate, I'm not sure how I'm "pretend[ing] something that I never addressed. Then STOP posting for others. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 I would STOP doing so if I were in fact doing so. “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 I would STOP doing so if I were in fact doing so. My post was a reply to bud. You couldn't help answering for him. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Ah. See, I was unaware of the strict parameters, in which each thread belongs by default to two posters, and that no one else need comment. Presumably you will police yourself accordingly. “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Ah. See, I was unaware of the strict parameters, in which each thread belongs by default to two posters, and that no one else need comment. Presumably you will police yourself accordingly. Post away. But if you're going to respond FOR bud, I'll assume you share his world-view. If you'd like to distance yourself now...do so. Otherwise, I'll continue to assume you carry water for him. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Post away. But if you're going to respond FOR bud, I'll assume you share his world-view. If you'd like to distance yourself now...do so. Otherwise, I'll continue to assume you carry water for him. If you're going to keep posting silly things like this, which you don't even actually believe, it makes me wonder what exactly you're trying to convince me of. Edited October 23, 2013 by bleeding heart “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) If you're going to keep posting silly things like this with which you don't even actually believe, it makes me wonder what exactly you're trying to convince me of. Stop responding to my posts to bud and you should be just fine. Edited October 23, 2013 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 1. HJ is simply wrong. even though history and information given show otherwise? so once again, you can't counter with any information and citation to backup your empty claim. show some integrity man. your response look like another rue-esque announcement that tries to push aside the facts and numbers in order to side-step the truth. you cannot dispute the numbers, because they're indisputable. how is one to have a debate with you when you can't even admit the simple truth? http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) even though history and information given show otherwise? so once again, you can't counter with any information and citation to backup your empty claim. show some integrity man. your response look like another rue-esque announcement that tries to push aside the facts and numbers in order to side-step the truth. you cannot dispute the numbers, because they're indisputable. how is one to have a debate with you when you can't even admit the simple truth? Israel did NOT receive 3 billion in 1949. Nor did it get 3 billion in 1950...nor 1951...nor... HJ: Throughout all of its wars, Israel has continued to receive an average of $3 billion a year from the U.S. which have mostly gone towards its military. Edited October 23, 2013 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 What it actually boils down to is that the Arabs are very sore losers. They started this mess...but, couldn't finish it. Perhaps they'll have better luck with their next surprise attack. Or not. Will you complain if they lose again, bud? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Little ol' Me: What it actually boils down to is that the Arabs are very sore losers. They started this mess...but, couldn't finish it. Perhaps they'll have better luck with their next surprise attack. Or not. Will you complain if they lose again, bud? Or...more importantly and significantly...would you complain if Israel lost the next time the Arabs decide it's time for another invasion? Hmmmm? Edited October 23, 2013 by DogOnPorch Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Stop responding to my posts to bud and you should be just fine. Oh, I'm more than fine. I'm actually pretty interested to watch you refrain from posting in anyone's else's discussion. “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Rue Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) The United States will continue to support Israel with foreign aid...and that is a good thing. Looks like Israel will have F-35s before Canada ! Speaking about nit picking its military aid. The US stopped providing foreign aid. There is a large difference. Foreign aid is one way. With military benefits, the military industrial complex in the US is able to gain valuable tax deductions when sending military aid to Israel which enables it to pay hundreds of thousands of employees in the US whot hen pay taxes back to their government. It also provides beneftis in that Israel then tests and refines certain US military products which can then go on to be sold to others making the US more profit. I am sure you know the difference in fact you have said so in earlier posts. My comment is directed at Bud who lumps any money to Israel as foreign aid and then says there is zero benefit to the US and along with Hudson describes it as welfare. I also question the HudonBud criticisms of US Israel relations because of course it ignores the billions the US has sent to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, Adfghanistan, Iran, the Palestinian Authority. I will say it again. The US is no shrill of Israel. It engages in a relationship with Israel because it feels there is direct benefit to assist its military, foreign affairs and business interests. The US is not some victim of brain washing. More to the point the US is up front on its aid to all Middle East countries it assists and if one adds up the money its clear to see many other Middle East countries not Israel get foreign aid from it. Facts though and accurate facts coming from the HudsonBud source which describes all transfers to Israel as foreign aid is part of the on-going spin to distort the actual nature of the transfers between the two nations in an attempt to misrepresent it as a parasitical (Israel)-host (US) relationship. Then again the HudsonBud source is not concerned about the US now is it. It has made that clear in earlier critical comments on the US. I will repeat it again, Israel is appreciative and maintains a mutually beneficial relationship with the US. In fact within Israel some fear its sovereignty and ability to make independent decisions may be jeopardized by its over dependence on the US. The US's foreign policy intentions in allying not just with Israel but with countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, who are not exacly friendly to Israel is upfront and publically disclosed. From the get go, the US has been aligned not just with Israel but Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf Emirate states. The US is clearly allied with countries not friendly to Israel precisely because this myth Israel controls it is a crock. The US does what benefits the US and why not. As far as I am concerned without a US presence, even when it will from time to time conflict with Israeli concerns prevents the Middle East from going up. It has been the US not China or Russia maintaining the delicate balancing act. In regards to the Yom Kippur war, as Dog referred to, had the US not intervened when it did sending Israel supplies, Israel may have had to engage in a nuclear attack against Russia. It was close. Russia had placed troops in Syria preparing to invade calling the US's bluff to see whether the US would come to Israel's aid. The Soviets came close to triggering a nuclear war and transcripts now show a Russian general ignored Gromyko and engaged in provocative moves on behalf of Sadat and Assad that placed Israel minutes away from launching nuclear missiles. It was only when Gromyko called off his troops and told them to stand down, Israel was left alone to defend itself with US supplies that then were sent in to counter-balance the Soviet weapons given to Syria and Egypt. Moishe Dayan was caught flat fooded misunderstanding the Syrians by telling everyone they would never attack. Attack Syria did on Yom Kippur killing thousands. Attack Egypt did killing thousands before the IDF could get sufficient equipment to counter the war and bring it to a halt. Hand to hand missile launchers from the Russians neutralized Israeli tanks in the desert. Those hand to hand launchers have made tank warfare obsolete. While tanks are still brought in to police urban conflicts, these hand to hand launchers easily pick them off even the thicker shelled ones. So I nitpick because Bud would have everyone believe its foreign aid Israel receives. It is not. Edited October 23, 2013 by Rue
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Oh, I'm more than fine. I'm actually pretty interested to watch you refrain from posting in anyone's else's discussion. I don't go by your rules. But, you're free to have me carry water for my friends here at MLW. I do it with pride. You're also free to associate with the likes of bud and HJ...known CJPME members. I will, however, paint you as a like supporter of CJPME for doing so. Enjoy. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 I don't go by your rules. Uh, they're your rules, stated by you. But, you're free to have me carry water for my friends here at MLW. I do it with pride. You're also free to associate with the likes of bud and HJ...known CJPME members. I will, however, paint you as a like supporter of CJPME for doing so. Enjoy. Again, you don't believe a word of this. It's nonsense. However, if you disrespect me, I do indeed enjoy it. Means I'm doing something right. “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Rue: Hand to hand missile launchers from the Russians neutralized Israeli tanks in the desert. Those hand to hand launchers have made tank warfare obsolete. While tanks are still brought in to police urban conflicts, these hand to hand launchers easily pick them off even the thicker shelled ones. The Merkava was designed with the Sagger and like AT weapons in mind. Those tanks have been recorded taking multiple hits from shaped-charge weapons and brushing therm off like a spring rain. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Uh, they're your rules, stated by you. Again, you don't believe a word of this. It's nonsense. However, if you disrespect me, I do indeed enjoy it. Means I'm doing something right. My rules are if you don't want me thinking of you as another bud, don't answer for him. You're free to reply as you often do...just expect that I'll view you as another bud. It's not a hard concept. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 My rules are if you don't want me thinking of you as another bud, don't answer for him. You're free to reply as you often do...just expect that I'll view you as another bud. It's not a hard concept. To expose the fragility of your by-association logic, I'll point out to you that (according to your own formulation, not mine) if you ever once agree with poster Derek on anything, then you are justifying rape as a legitimate tool of war. As you say, not a hard concept. “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 To expose the fragility of your by-association logic, I'll point out to you that (according to your own formulation, not mine) if you ever once agree with poster Derek on anything, then you are justifying rape as a legitimate tool of war. As you say, not a hard concept. What's a legitimate tool of war? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 What's a legitimate tool of war? I'm curious as to why you'd ask this question, given that you quote the answer. Is there some childish little game afoot here? “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 I'm curious as to why you'd ask this question, given that you quote the answer. Is there some childish little game afoot here? Seriously...it's cute that you think civilized rules apply on the battlefield. Try telling an FSA trooper that you view his beheading of an innocent child a war crime to his face and report back on what happens. Or not... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Seriously...it's cute that you think civilized rules apply on the battlefield. You mean it would be cute, if that's what we were discussing. Except we're talking about war-rape as POLICY, and how, according to some, it is a legitimate tool of war...provided that the West can cash in on it, of course. “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 You mean it would be cute, if that's what we were discussing. Except we're talking about war-rape as POLICY, and how, according to some, it is a legitimate tool of war...provided that the West can cash in on it, of course. Where are our soldiers raping folks again? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 Israel did NOT receive 3 billion in 1949. Nor did it get 3 billion in 1950...nor 1951...nor... once again, pay attention to what was written: "Throughout all of its wars, Israel has continued to receive an average of $3 billion a year from the U.S. which have mostly gone towards its military." the $233 billion that israel has received, divided by 65 years (since 1948) = $3.6 billion. http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 23, 2013 Report Posted October 23, 2013 once again, pay attention to what was written: "Throughout all of its wars, Israel has continued to receive an average of $3 billion a year from the U.S. which have mostly gone towards its military." the $233 billion that israel has received, divided by 65 years (since 1948) = $3.6 billion. Adjusted for inflation...of course. And by adjusted I mean I used it to line my parrot cage before presenting it. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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