Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 But of course that won't happen because there's nothing to the accusation. Soros has been the subject of a rabid character assassination campaign by the right wing, just because they resent the fact that an insanely wealthy person might hold liberal views. It's funny to watch someone try to justify labelling another person as "extremist" because they didn't want to see Bush re-elected in 2004 though. Soros is a political activist and left-wing extremist. He funds all the left wing media front groups and causes, including the Tides Foundation in Canada. Someone wealthy and liberal that I would not label an extremist is Warren Buffet, he may contribute to the liberals and offer economic advice to Obama but he leaves the politics to himor Bill Gates would be another liberal I would not call an extremist. Do you see any difference between Soros and Gates or Buffet? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Soros is a political activist and left-wing extremist. Here we go again. On what do you base this accusation? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 WIP, on 21 Feb 2013 - 11:01, said: I would agree with you except for the fact that billionaire donors buying liberals is not support for the "left," it's just co-opting the left. As we can see with the way Obama has carried on the war and military spending policies of the Bush Administration, offered no real banking and finance reform, set up a Republican health care plan rather than expanding Medicare or even offering the Medicare buy-in option that was dangled in front of the public, and last but not least, will soon give the go-ahead to finishing the Keystone XL Pipeline after a little gnashing about to pretend to really being more concerned about the environment rather than money. So, what is really a left wing cause that is supported by any billionaires? Even when they appear to be acting on altruistic reasons like the Gates Foundation, we find that their concept of education reform means that they mean privatizing public schools as charter schools to be run by one of the tentacles of their corporate branches: http://Bill and Melinda Gates's Foundation Helps ALEC Undercut Public Education A Republican health care plan....ha ha ha.You seem to think that any move to the left is not enough to call it "left". But that is what socialism is all about. The progressive move toward totalitarianism. It's an evolving process. Getting a health care act passed like Obamacare is all part of the progression. Calling it a Republican plan is hilarious. Every Republican in the Senate and all but one in the House voted against it in any form. It was Democrats that had to be convinced to vote for it. All leftists have to do is convince liberals that progressivism is the liberal way and inch them over. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) BubberMiley, on 21 Feb 2013 - 11:39, said: Here we go again. On what do you base this accusation? Your question has already been addressed. You will have to do your own research beyond that. Edited February 21, 2013 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Your question has already been addressed. You will have to do your own research beyond that. No, it hasn't been addressed at all. I have done my research and found that some rabid right-wingers have created a character assassination campaign to label him an extremist. When they are asked to explain why he is an extremist, they inevitably disappear because they have nothing. Sound familiar? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 I say both sides should be able to do it. I also don't think that someone spending a fortune to defeat Obama in the last election is necessarily an extremist, even if they felt really strongly about it. Do you? Of course you don't. Yet you have the nerve to suggest that I am the one with partisan blinders on. I certainly would consider them an extremist if they said what Soros said about Bush. A life and death issue. He'd spend his whole fortune to bring about defeat. That is extremism, doesn't matter which side it's coming from. Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) So when Mitch McConnell said that the number one priority for the Republican Party was to make sure that Obama is a one-term president, did you decide that the GOP is an extremist organization? Edited February 21, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Let me know when you are willing to take an objective look at the situation, it's really not that complicated. Or at least let me know when you can find a quote where a Republican has said it's a life and death issue, or that he/she would spend their whole net worth if it would have stopped Obama's election win. Edited February 21, 2013 by sharkman Quote
Canuckistani Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Let me know when you are willing to take an objective look at the situation, it's really not that complicated. Or at least let me know when you can find a quote where a Republican has said it's a life and death issue, or that he/she would spend their whole net worth if it would have stopped Obama's election win. You're serious - you're claiming Repubs have not made far more extreme statements about Obama? Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Let me know when you are willing to take an objective look at the situation, it's really not that complicated. Or at least let me know when you can find a quote where a Republican has said it's a life and death issue, or that he/she would spend their whole net worth if it would have stopped Obama's election win. Mitch McConnell said it was the number one priority of the party. That puts it above life and death issues that the party would have to deal with, like making sure the military is adequately funded and making sure that people have health care. That puts it above any other funding priority the party may have. His words suggest that he was more driven to see Obama defeated than Soros was driven to see Bush defeated. Besides, considering that Soros is still alive and very wealthy, did you consider that those words might have been hyperbole? Edited February 21, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 No, it hasn't been addressed at all. I have done my research and found that some rabid right-wingers have created a character assassination campaign to label him an extremist. When they are asked to explain why he is an extremist, they inevitably disappear because they have nothing. Sound familiar? It has been addressed. You only found in your research that someone has claimed that some rabid right-wingers have created a character assassination campaign to label him an extremist - obviously from an extremist left-wing blog. Besides, what is so wrong with left-wing extremism that Soros would not wish to associate himself with it? As you know, communists are just socialists in a hurry, I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying he was in that big a hurry, just yet but he certainly is pushy. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 It has been addressed. You only found in your research that someone has claimed that some rabid right-wingers have created a character assassination campaign to label him an extremist - obviously from an extremist left-wing blog. Besides, what is so wrong with left-wing extremism that Soros would not wish to associate himself with it? As you know, communists are just socialists in a hurry, I wouldn't go to the extreme of saying he was in that big a hurry, just yet but he certainly is pushy. Why are you unwilling to back up your accusation with a concrete example of Soros' extremism? Is it because you know it's a lie and don't want to be caught lying outright? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Mitch McConnell said it was the number one priority of the party. That puts it above life and death issues that the party would have to deal with, like making sure the military is adequately funded and making sure that people have health care. That puts it above any other funding priority the party may have. His words suggest that he was more driven to see Obama defeated than Soros was driven to see Bush defeated. Besides, considering that Soros is still alive and very wealthy, did you consider that those words might have been hyperbole? Mitch McConnell is a politician. It's his job. How's this for extremist: "Transnational Progressivism" personified, Soros is a self-made billionaire (99th richest man in the world) who wants to unmake capitalism. He's fostered many social-change and political-change groups, is one of the key influences in campaign financing reform and dominated the 2004 Bush-Kerry election with "527" groups. Unmake Capitalism. Not extreme? Edited February 21, 2013 by Pliny Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Mitch McConnell is a politician. It's his job. How's this for extremist: "Transnational Progressivism" personified, Soros is a self-made billionaire (99th richest man in the world) who wants to unmake capitalism. He's fostered many social-change and political-change groups, is one of the key influences in campaign financing reform and dominated the 2004 Bush-Kerry election with "527" groups. 527 groups??? Is that just hyperbole? A 527 group is a tax-exempt organization. But saying he wants to "unmake capitalism" is certainly hyperbole. He is a capitalist through and through. That's why he's a billionaire. But I look forward to an actual explanation of what makes him extremist, other than that he is "extremely" involved in politics or "extremely" rich. Edited February 21, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Good job fixing your post to eliminate your misunderstanding of what a 527 group is. But where is your evidence that he wants to "unmake capitalism"? You can't just say things and not back them up. Edited February 21, 2013 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 You're serious - you're claiming Repubs have not made far more extreme statements about Obama? No. I'm saying if they have, then they are. Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 No. I'm saying if they have, then they are. So you find Mitch McConnell's statement to be extremist? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
sharkman Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Good job fixing your post to eliminate your misunderstanding of what a 527 group is. But where is your evidence that he wants to "unmake capitalism"? You can't just say things and not back them up. I see you haven't bothered to dig up any extremist statements, instead choosing to equate the phrase, "Number 1 priority", with the Soros quote that he'd spend his entire fortune to beat Bush if someone could guarantee a win, or the life and death quote. Well, if that makes you happy, then I'm happy in the knowledge that I've amused you for at least a little while. Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 I see you haven't bothered to dig up any extremist statements, instead choosing to equate the phrase, "Number 1 priority", with the Soros quote that he'd spend his entire fortune to beat Bush if someone could guarantee a win, or the life and death quote. Well, if that makes you happy, then I'm happy in the knowledge that I've amused you for at least a little while. That's extremist enough, in that it is more extremist than either of the benign quotes you claim Soros made. I am happy to point out how you were misrepresenting Soros and completely incapable of backing up your accusation. It was, indeed, amusing for me. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 BubberMiley, on 21 Feb 2013 - 13:39, said: Why are you unwilling to back up your accusation with a concrete example of Soros' extremism? Is it because you know it's a lie and don't want to be caught lying outright? No. I've been down this road before with leftists. Nothing is ever acceptable as evidence. They like to keep theirblinders on. Your mode of debate is rather specious. You try and position a politician whose job is to have his party form government and suggest that that is comparably extreme to a private citizen who considers an election a "life and death" issue for him and expresses a willingness to forfeit his entire wealth based on its outcome. But as I said old George, is just a little pushy. Funny he would be so popular among the left since he is such a corporate, greedy, capitalist in a true sense of the word, making most of his money on currency trading. Not even providing a product for consumers to improve their standard of living. He is right in that capitalists like him need to be heavily regulated but with "sound money" he would probably not be the billionaire he is. Rockefeller was a similar type capitalist - calling competition the greatest sin. We can deduce from that statement that Rockefeller committed some sins he ameliorated by calling them competition. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 BubberMiley, on 21 Feb 2013 - 14:01, said: A 527 group is a tax-exempt organization. But saying he wants to "unmake capitalism" is certainly hyperbole. He is a capitalist through and through. That's why he's a billionaire. But I look forward to an actual explanation of what makes him extremist, other than that he is "extremely" involved in politics or "extremely" rich. I already corrected that. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
sharkman Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 Pliny, I think ol' Bubber is just having us on. Must be having a slow work day. Quote
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 BubberMiley, on 21 Feb 2013 - 14:37, said: Good job fixing your post to eliminate your misunderstanding of what a 527 group is. But where is your evidence that he wants to "unmake capitalism"? You can't just say things and not back them up. So tell me what you would consider is politically extreme? Mitch McConnell trying to defeat the Democrats? Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
Pliny Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 sharkman, on 21 Feb 2013 - 15:05, said: Pliny, I think ol' Bubber is just having us on. Must be having a slow work day. There are several posters that debate things in a similar manner. It's mostly semantics with them. But, yes he is probably having a slow day at work. Quote I want to be in the class that ensures the classless society remains classless.
BubberMiley Posted February 21, 2013 Report Posted February 21, 2013 No. I've been down this road before with leftists. Nothing is ever acceptable as evidence. They like to keep their blinders on. So that's why you don't have any evidence? Because you don't think I would accept it? But yes, I believe McConnell's statement was more extreme (even if he's a politician and not a private citizen, which is an argument based on logic that is...specious). But I don't consider McConnell to be an extremist. That's reserved for those who lie about other people and then can't back up their claims with any evidence whatsoever. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
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