Mass shooting

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But... But... The good guy had a GUN! I'll bet Derek posts a picture of it soon....

He was so proud not to have a story about a good guy with a gun leaving it in a bathroom for 5 year olds to find and play with that he jumped the gun and didn't research the story.

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[Guest Derek L]

He was so proud not to have a story about a good guy with a gun leaving it in a bathroom for 5 year olds to find and play with that he jumped the gun and didn't research the story.

Here's some more stories of children using a gun:

http://intellectualconservative.com/index.php/when-kids-and-guns-mix

[Guest Derek L]

Not what the police say. The police the violence stopped after the kid shot the other kid he was targeting. That is what the police say maybe you want to call them liars.

Where did they say that?

The very first line:

A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

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Where did they say that?

The very first line:

It's in the other none editorialized news articles about it. This one seems to take that the security guard shooting the kid means he stopped a shooting no where has anyone made that claim.

[Guest Derek L]

It's in the other none editorialized news articles about it. This one seems to take that the security guard shooting the kid means he stopped a shooting no where has anyone made that claim.

Ahh, I see, so the paper is lying......Did the shooter shoot anyone else after the armed officer took his gun away

[Guest Derek L]

From another local news source:

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20899352/student-shot-at-price-middle-school-in-atlanta

During a news conference that was held early Thursday evening, Davis said that a school resource officer, who Atlanta police Chief George Turner confirmed to be an off-duty armed Atlanta police officer, was able to get the gun away from the suspect shortly after they fired multiple shots.

And from a source overseas:

http://news.sky.com/story/1045891/atlanta-child-shot-in-head-at-school

Atlanta Police Chief George Turner said an armed police officer working at the school disarmed the suspect moments after the shooting.

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From another local news source:

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20899352/student-shot-at-price-middle-school-in-atlanta

And from a source overseas:

http://news.sky.com/story/1045891/atlanta-child-shot-in-head-at-school

None of those articles say what you want them to say. I agree after the kid was done shooting his target a guard did something. So the story we all agree on is gaurd fails to prevent shooting.

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[Guest Derek L]

None of those articles say what you want them to say. I agree after the kid was done shooting his target a guard did something. So the story we all agree on is gaurd fails to prevent shooting.

The officer prevented further violence………..That’s a fact, and as mentioned in the stories was off-duty, and as also mentioned, it wasn’t confirmed by police if said officer is regularly on duty at said school……..If there was a regular presence by uniformed officers at area schools, said shootings could be deterred………..

But you are right, he didn’t prevent the initial shooting, just as Vice President Biden confirmed that the Democrats proposed antigun legislation wouldn’t guarantee a reduction in school shootings either.

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The officer prevented further violence………..That’s a fact, and as mentioned in the stories was off-duty, and as also mentioned, it wasn’t confirmed by police if said officer is regularly on duty at said school……..If there was a regular presence by uniformed officers at area schools, said shootings could be deterred………..

But you are right, he didn’t prevent the initial shooting, just as Vice President Biden confirmed that the Democrats proposed antigun legislation wouldn’t guarantee a reduction in school shootings either.

That is not a fact and it is quoted no where. You are fantasizing again.

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[Guest Derek L]

That is not a fact and it is quoted no where. You are fantasizing again.

What is not a fact? That no one else was shot by the shooter after the cop got his gun?

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What is not a fact? That no one else was shot by the shooter after the cop got his gun?

Here is the crazy thing about this shooting. It was at school with another person who was on duty and was operating a metal detector. I wonder how he got past the metal detector to get to the person he wanted to shot.

This what I can piece together from reports which are vague right now. Shooter walks into school past a metal detector and an armed guard. Kid is looking for another kid, finds the other kid and shots the kid in the head. This is when the shooting stops and the off duty armed security guard rushes to the classroom. He shoots kid who is not on a shooting spree because the cops keep saying this was a targeted shooting. Do you have any facts or police statements that say this was not the case or is the gun propaganda all you have because none of the reports I am reading say what you want them to say.

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[Guest Derek L]

Here is the crazy thing about this shooting. It was at school with another person who was on duty and was operating a metal detector. I wonder how he got past the metal detector to get to the person he wanted to shot.

This what I can piece together from reports which are vague right now. Shooter walks into school past a metal detector and an armed guard. Kid is looking for another kid, finds the other kid and shots the kid in the head. This is when the shooting stops and the off duty armed security guard rushes to the classroom. He shoots kid who is not on a shooting spree because the cops keep saying this was a targeted shooting. Do you have any facts or police statements that say this was not the case or is the gun propaganda all you have because none of the reports I am reading say what you want them to say.

Whatever you say Kojak………..

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Whatever you say Kojak………..

Yah facts suck. Here is the update with real information.

Apparently it was a gang shooting (which happen quite often at schools why we don't hear about them? Well it is gang on gang violent). The one student who was shot was the target. This shooting was not stopped by anyone the shooting took place then ended as gang shooting often do.

http://www.cbsnews.c...een-police-say/

I'll wait for real facts instead of Derek facts.

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[Guest Derek L]

Yah facts suck.

We'll see, you've yet to provide any.

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We'll see, you've yet to provide any.

Link above. I notice you have yet to provide any facts that strengthen your argument. The shooting wasn't prevented was it?

[Guest Derek L]

In the meantime, several more examples of "good guys" with guns:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/12/18/mass-murder-prevented-by-offduty-cop-n1469380

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In the meantime, several more examples of "good guys" with guns:

http://townhall.com/...ty-cop-n1469380

Hey Derek AW already posted that story in this thread. It has already been torn apart about how a good guy with a gun didn't stop anything and how the police were already on the scene. Sorry you missed it maybe go back a reread it because your two examples SUCK!!!

Kelly also countered National Rifle Association leader Wayne LaPierre's claim that the best defense to gun violence in schools and other public places is "a good guy with a gun" - more armed security.

Kelly recalled how "a good guy with a gun" came charging out of a store that day in Arizona and nearly shot the wrong guy - a good Samaritan who was tackling the killer.

"He admits that he came within about a half a second of shooting the man ... and nearly killing him," Kelly said.

Kelly gave lawmakers much to think about as they consider ways to curb gun violence, including a ban on semi-automatic weapons and the proposed limit on ammunition clips.

Right now the NYPD is being sued by 5 people who were shot when good guys with guns opened fire on a crowd because they thought a bad guy had a gun.

What was you point again Derek?

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[Guest Derek L]

Yah facts suck. Here is the update with real information.

Apparently it was a gang shooting (which happen quite often at schools why we don't hear about them? Well it is gang on gang violent). The one student who was shot was the target. This shooting was not stopped by anyone the shooting took place then ended as gang shooting often do.

http://www.cbsnews.c...een-police-say/

I'll wait for real facts instead of Derek facts.

Did you read your link:

It is unknown if the shooting victim, Telvis Douglas, 14, was the intended target or whether he was involved in a gang, according to CBS Atlanta.

And you have no evidence to suggest that had the shooter not have been stopped, he wouldn’t have shot/killed further students, hence no one else was shot once the police officer disarmed the shooter…

[Guest Derek L]

Hey Derek AW already posted that story in this thread. It has already been torn apart about how a good guy with a gun didn't stop anything and how the police were already on the scene. Sorry you missed it maybe go back a reread it because your two examples SUCK!!!

Right now the NYPD is being sued by 5 people who were shot when good guys with guns opened fire on a crowd because they thought a bad guy had a gun.

What was you point again Derek?

What was your point..........I posted a link several pages back of police shootings, within Canada.

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Did you read your link:

And you have no evidence to suggest that had the shooter not have been stopped, he wouldn’t have shot/killed further students, hence no one else was shot once the police officer disarmed the shooter…

It was a gang shooting. Were again is your evidence that anyone stopped the shooter? I'll be back when the trial happens and the evidence is presented your case though looks pretty weak. A gang shooting were suspect knew the victim and police are ONLY FOCUSING ON THEIR RELATIONSHIP! That isn't Sandy Hook, that isn't Columbine, that is something that happens daily in America because of how easy guns are for everyone to get. You are making a poor case here Derek.

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What was your point..........I posted a link several pages back of police shootings, within Canada.

So we agree a good guy with a gun can be just as dangerous as a bad guy with a gun so do you want everyone to have a gun? Great I am getting through to you.

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More information

The shooter was disarmed and taken into custody minutes after the incident by an off-duty Atlanta police officer, Turner said. He said the off-duty police officer, who was armed, works at Price Middle School as a so-called resource officer, providing security

http://articles.chic...esource-officer

Minutes I seem to remember one senator Lyndsay Gram saying that he could pump off and reload several magazines in just a few minutes when talking about how high capacity magazines should be legal. Sandy Hook apparently happened in just minutes, Aura the theater shooting happened in minutes, according to Mark Kelly his wifes shooting happened in seconds. So now we know nothing was prevented this young man had plenty of time to shoot others he just chose not to.

Maybe next time wait for the facts to come out in your story to see if they actually support your argument because in this case they don't. An armed police officer didn't stop a school shooting here. It happened.

More info

Turner said the two students apparently knew each other, but he did not discuss a motive for the attack.

Police spokesman Carlos Campos said later that the shooting stemmed from an unspecified previous disagreement.

Not a random shooting at all, and not prevented at all.

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Here you go Derek here is an article that supports your side. Gun still wont stop mass shootings though.

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit

[Guest Derek L]

It was a gang shooting. Were again is your evidence that anyone stopped the shooter? I'll be back when the trial happens and the evidence is presented your case though looks pretty weak. A gang shooting were suspect knew the victim and police are ONLY FOCUSING ON THEIR RELATIONSHIP! That isn't Sandy Hook, that isn't Columbine, that is something that happens daily in America because of how easy guns are for everyone to get. You are making a poor case here Derek.

The articles I linked to.

[Guest Derek L]

So we agree a good guy with a gun can be just as dangerous as a bad guy with a gun so do you want everyone to have a gun? Great I am getting through to you.

Do you suggest disarming police? My contention is that no one is infallible, yet we as society accept the occasional accidents associated with the police………Of al these “Mass Shootings”, said shootings stop when the shooter either kills himself or is shot/detained by the (armed) police……….As an extension to this, ordinary people with appropriate training should be able to defend themselves legally with a firearm.