Putin Quotes

[August1991]

This guy doesn't mince his words. And he speaks in a controled manner. He's an original and doesn't pander to the PR types.

"Why don't you meet Osama bin Laden, invite him to Brussels or to the White House and engage in talks, ask him what he wants and give it to him so he leaves you in peace? Why don't you do that?" he said with searing sarcasm.

"You find it possible to set some limitations in your dealings with these bastards, so why should we talk to people who are childkillers?

"No one has a moral right to tell us to talk to childkillers," he added.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but Margaret Thatcher, whom I've met more than once said: 'A man who comes out into the street to kill other people must himself be killed'," he told the Guardian.

The Guardian

Note in this case that the Guardian doesn't elaborate a complex theory based on Putin's remarks. It simply reports them, with a headline about a public inquiry.

[takeanumber]

He's right.

You can't rationalize with these people.

Radical Islam promises to deliver societies from evil, from corruption and oppression.

Instead all radical Islam, just like Nazi-ism and Communism before it, can deliver is death and destruction.

We had the chance to put Hitler down in 1933 before re-armenment, and we chose to rationalize.

Let's not make the same mistake again.

[panzer-dragoon]

He's right.

You can't rationalize with these people.

Radical Islam promises to deliver societies from evil, from corruption and oppression.

Instead all radical Islam, just like Nazi-ism and Communism before it, can deliver is death and destruction.

We had the chance to put Hitler down in 1933 before re-armenment, and we chose to rationalize.

Let's not make the same mistake again.

If the Germans weren't treated so unfairly by after WWI, there never would of been a Hitler to begin with.

[Black Dog]

If the Germans weren't treated so unfairly by after WWI, there never would of been a Hitler to begin with.

[sarcasm]Now now: there shall be no ruminating about such trivial matters of cause and effect. Why, you're just excusing Hitler. Maybe you're just a Hitler supporter...[/sarcasm]

[August1991]

If the Germans weren't treated so unfairly by after WWI, there never would of been a Hitler to begin with.

If the Allies had stood up to Fascist Germany in the 1930s, WW II would never have occurred.

But the point is valid that the world was arguably at war from 1914 to 1945. (The Treaty of Versailles only begs the question.)

And indeed, one could argue the world was at war between 1914 and 1991.

So, the better question is to ask what started World War I?

[Black Dog]

If the Allies had stood up to Fascist Germany in the 1930s, WW II would never have occurred.

But the western ruling classes liked Hilter. Fascism was a wildly popular ideology in the '30s among the rich and powerful, who liked the ideas of merging state and corporate power, bashing unions and socialists. American corporations like IBM and Ford supplied the Nazis right up till the U.S's entry into the war. So it's a specious analogy. Really, it's a tautology.

So, the better question is to ask what started World War I?

Imperialism. nationalism. Too many armys. But the "cause" of the war was the death of the Ottoman empire and the rival claims of Russian and Austria in the Balkans.

[August1991]

But the western ruling classes liked Hilter. Fascism was a wildly popular ideology in the '30s among the rich and powerful, who liked the ideas of merging state and corporate power, bashing unions and socialists. American corporations like IBM and Ford supplied the Nazis right up till the U.S's entry into the war.

I question your suggestion that US corporations were involved as much as you imply. More generally, blaming them is tantamount to blaming GM for adrunk-driving death.

You are pinning your modern prejudices to an historical problem.

As to "western ruling classes" (whatever that is), well, many rich people did support the rise of Fascism in Europe, and some even supported Lenin and Stalin. So what?

So, the better question is to ask what started World War I?

Imperialism. nationalism. Too many armys. But the "cause" of the war was the death of the Ottoman empire and the rival claims of Russian and Austria in the Balkans.

I don't disagree but at the time, the war was fought to defeat the Hun or les Boches. Germany today is a radically different place than it was 100 years ago.

I think the past century saw a long battle beween top-down authority (à la Bismarck) and individual freedom.

[Black Dog]

question your suggestion that US corporations were involved as much as you imply. More generally, blaming them is tantamount to blaming GM for adrunk-driving death.

"A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime. . . .

"Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there."

-- William E. Dodd, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, 1937.

Some of the most distinguished names in American business had investments or subsidiaries in prewar Germany, including Standard Oil and General Motors. Some say that without U.S. money, the Nazis could never have waged war.

IBM and the Holocaust

Ford and the Fuhrer

You are pinning your modern prejudices to an historical problem.

No, I'm acknowledging historical facts to highlight the fallacy of the current (and widespread) analogies between the threats posed by modern "Islamism" and historical fascism.

My predjudices towards U.S. corporations are largely irrelevant.

I think the past century saw a long battle beween top-down authority (à la Bismarck) and individual freedom.

No, most wars are fought on practical matters such as money, resources and turf. "Freedom", "democracy" are usually just buzzwords designed to make the masses believe the ideals they are dying for are noble.

[barbarosa]

I strongly argree with black dog(no offense but what kind of name is that?) and yes , major companies in the us did support germany

there is nothing wrong with ackowledging historical fact after all dosn't history always repeat itself in one form or another