Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Brass from the base, not from the ship. I'm sure the appropriate people were aboard the Huron on the day. The office boys just wanted to go for a spin in the helicopter they were paying for (well the taxpayer at their guidance of course) Uh-huh....... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Uh-huh....... Oh, you asked what type, twin huey, if I thought about it I could probably recollect the reg. but why would i bother? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Oh, you asked what type, twin huey, if I thought about it I could probably recollect the reg. but why would i bother? Over water? Who provided the HUET for the "brass"? So your story has now shifted from providing PAC support to the Huron’s (then nonexistent) CIWS, well the ships air search radar was not fully functioning, over the Juan de Fuca Strait, well working for CHC (a company heavily involved in the forestry industry in BC), flying a deuce full of “naval brass”, all the while, if the Huron had of had a CIWS, the Air Force had numerous seized and rotary winged assets in the region. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Over water? Who provided the HUET for the "brass"? So your story has now shifted from providing PAC support to the Huron’s (then nonexistent) CIWS, well the ships air search radar was not fully functioning, over the Juan de Fuca Strait, well working for CHC (a company heavily involved in the forestry industry in BC), flying a deuce full of “naval brass”, all the while, if the Huron had of had a CIWS, the Air Force had numerous seized and rotary winged assets in the region. The radar was working fine. I've said nothing to the contrary. But boy are you misguided! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 The radar was working fine. I've said nothing to the contrary. But boy are you misguided! Well I don't know. Who usually supplies HUET training to the Canadian military on the west coast? My last one was in Halifax. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 The radar was working fine. I've said nothing to the contrary. But boy are you misguided! Then why the troubles: trying to accurately guess my distance from them If the air search radar was working fine, I fail to see the issue. Well I don't know. Who usually supplies HUET training to the Canadian military on the west coast? My last one was in Halifax. With who? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Well I don't know. Who usually supplies HUET training to the Canadian military on the west coast? My last one was in Halifax. Anyway it was some time ago. Perhaps your job on the ship at the time didn't bring you into proximity with the more technical aspects. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Anyway it was some time ago. Perhaps your job on the ship at the time didn't bring you into proximity with the more technical aspects. No, quite the opposite……..hence why I can easily ascertain that your "story" is full of glaring holes. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Then why the troubles: If the air search radar was working fine, I fail to see the issue. With who? Actually I tell a lie. My last was in Capetown. Before that was at CFB Greennwood. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 No, quite the opposite……..hence why I can easily ascertain that your "story" is full of glaring holes. You couldn't put even a pin prick in my story. Apparently you weren't there. If they allow you anywhere near the paperwork I'm sure you could find the invoice. I think we flew a couple of hours each day for about a week. Or maybe a bit less. Parked the AC at VIH. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Actually I tell a lie. My last was in Capetown. Before that was at CFB Greennwood. Really? When did they start doing it there? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 You couldn't put even a pin prick in my story. Apparently you weren't there. If they allow you anywhere near the paperwork I'm sure you could find the invoice. I think we flew a couple of hours each day for about a week. Or maybe a bit less. Parked the AC at VIH. Already did........You’re the one that stated you know how the CIWS worked, conducted a mythical flight to calibrate a system aboard a ship that didn’t yet have one, well employed by a civilian company, even though the Forces had a dedicated squadron in Comox to do exactly that I’m sorry, but there are far more then pin pricks in your story. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Already did........You’re the one that stated you know how the CIWS worked, conducted a mythical flight to calibrate a system aboard a ship that didn’t yet have one, well employed by a civilian company, even though the Forces had a dedicated squadron in Comox to do exactly that I’m sorry, but there are far more then pin pricks in your story. I really have no idea how it worked. Never said that. I just flew in various radii circles as was requested by radio. That would be VHF radio. They had that on the ship. Military usually uses UHF. Now that's Very High Frequency, and the other is Ultra High Frequency. The difference is clarity vs distance. But you knew that right? You'll have to ask Comox why they didn't have an ac available. As I say, I was in the backyard at the BBQ on time off when the phone rang for this little extra currucular job. But I'm a "paycheck whore" so I wnet for it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 I really have no idea how it worked. Never said that. I just flew in various radii circles as was requested by radio. That would be VHF radio. They had that on the ship. Military usually uses UHF. Now that's Very High Frequency, and the other is Ultra High Frequency. The difference is clarity vs distance. But you knew that right? You'll have to ask Comox why they didn't have an ac available. As I say, I was in the backyard at the BBQ on time off when the phone rang for this little extra currucular job. But I'm a "paycheck whore" so I wnet for it. Again, Huron didn't have a CIWS in the early 90s. Once it got one, post TRUMP, said tests were conducted on the East Coast by 434 squadron.......not on the West Coast by CHC with a chartered Twin Huey......DND didn't start to contract out such work until after Huron was retired.... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Again, Huron didn't have a CIWS in the early 90s. Once it got one, post TRUMP, said tests were conducted on the East Coast by 434 squadron.......not on the West Coast by CHC with a chartered Twin Huey......DND didn't start to contract out such work until after Huron was retired.... Go through the books. You'll find the bill. I'd guess 14/15 hours worth of twin huey time Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Go through the books. You'll find the bill. I'd guess 14/15 hours worth of twin huey time There's no need. Huron didn't have a CIWS during your stated timeline, added to the Forces having no requirement for chartered aircraft when they had two dedicated squadrons (one on each coast) fulfilling such requirements………Perhaps you need a rethink of that tale? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 There's no need. Huron didn't have a CIWS during your stated timeline, added to the Forces having no requirement for chartered aircraft when they had two dedicated squadrons (one on each coast) fulfilling such requirements………Perhaps you need a rethink of that tale? Naw. I lived it, I don't have to rethink it. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Some further news on the topic: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/10/us-lockheed-fighter-idUSKBN0EK24320140610 Reuters last week reported that Canada was poised to buy 65 F-35 fighter jets after an 18-month review concluded Ottawa should skip a fresh competition and proceed with the C$9 billion deal to buy F-35s. One source familiar with the process said an independent team of evaluators was expected to discuss the Canadian government's process and methodology at a news conference on Wednesday, but would not give its own recommendation. A second source said no public report would be released, if the event took place. Should be a interesting week ahead. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 One engine, after one failure, equals one stupidly expensive airplane gone, and maybe "One Dead Pilot" Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Naw. I lived it, I don't have to rethink it. So if you “lived it”, why doesn’t your story align with factual events in the real life timeline as pointed out? Either the Navy and Air Force (and all those that served in said facets) have got it wrong, or you have. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 So if you “lived it”, why doesn’t your story align with factual events in the real life timeline as pointed out? Either the Navy and Air Force (and all those that served in said facets) have got it wrong, or you have. Or you have. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 One engine, after one failure, equals one stupidly expensive airplane gone, and maybe "One Dead Pilot" So you’re going with CCPA’s misguided opinion over that of not only our own air force, but all the other combined militaries within the program? Surely these other organizations understand the technical aspects more then the CCPA. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 Or you have. What have I "got wrong"? I've explained what you have "got wrong", and you offer no counter explanation over some major holes in your story......Namely why would the Department of National Defence contract out CIWS PAC flights, for a ship with no CIWS, when they had two squadrons that sole purpose was to provide EW/utility support to the fleet? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 10, 2014 Report Posted June 10, 2014 The "do everything airplane" doesn't exist. They tried, I'll give 'em that. But it failed. You just can't get that done with the available technology. It's a very expensive experiment. Some valuable info has been garnered I'm sure. But put it back to bed with "lesson's learned" and then apply them appropriately. Before breaking the bank with the "Edsel" of fighter planes. Quote
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