F-35 Purchase Cancelled; CF-18 replacement process begins

[On Guard for Thee]

Which radar? The ships? You still haven’t addressed why a civilian charter was used as opposed to then operational military owned and operated, dedicated aircraft. Was the HeliDet aboard at the time?

No, not the ships radar, the radar from Arcturus!

[Derek 2.0]

And as a matter of fact I recall the last request I had from the ship after we had wrapped things up was if I would do a couple of radar controlled approaches to the ship, which I happilly did, being conversant with having done GCA's into Comox a time or two. Have I confused you now?

No confusion at all……but you seem confused, first you claimed to be orbiting, then trouble determining range, followed by a controlled approach to a destroyer…….All for the calibration for a CIWS? That of course leaves out the fact that the navy didn’t use charters in the timeframe that you subscribe.

[Derek 2.0]

No, not the ships radar, the radar from Arcturus!

Huh?

[On Guard for Thee]

Huh?

I guess you don't get jokes. As to your question, you'd have to ask the military why they chartered us. I was at home on time off and had to do a little extra work during bbq season. It was a lot of fun anyway and they paid me the same AFB as if I was overseas so all was well.

[On Guard for Thee]

Which radar? The ships? You still haven’t addressed why a civilian charter was used as opposed to then operational military owned and operated, dedicated aircraft. Was the HeliDet aboard at the time?

Of course the ship's radar. Here's how radar works, you have to be pointing at the target, more or less, I couldn't point at the ship while flying around it, they were moving so the range was constantly changing. I know it's a bit complicated.

[Derek 2.0]

I guess you don't get jokes. As to your question, you'd have to ask the military why they chartered us. I was at home on time off and had to do a little extra work during bbq season. It was a lot of fun anyway and they paid me the same AFB as if I was overseas so all was well.

What year did this take place, and as I asked previous, was the HeliDet aboard? I ask since I know numerous folks on a personal level, both (former) ships crew, HeliDet and the former XO of 434 squadron (Who's grass you claim to have cut).......I'd love to verify your story.

[On Guard for Thee]

What year did this take place, and as I asked previous, was the HeliDet aboard? I ask since I know numerous folks on a personal level, both (former) ships crew, HeliDet and the former XO of 434 squadron (Who's grass you claim to have cut).......I'd love to verify your story.

eartly 90's I'd guess. I'd have to look back at my logbook. Anyway I certainly don't need you or anyone to confirm it.And really, isn't this thread supposed to be about that POS the F35?

[Derek 2.0]

Of course the ship's radar. Here's how radar works, you have to be pointing at the target, more or less, I couldn't point at the ship while flying around it, they were moving so the range was constantly changing. I know it's a bit complicated.

So you’re now claiming the Huron attempted to conduct a PAC for it’s Phalanx CIWS, sans a fully functioning air search radar, in a busy civil aviation route? That sounds fantastic…..

[On Guard for Thee]

So you’re now claiming the Huron attempted to conduct a PAC for it’s Phalanx CIWS, sans a fully functioning air search radar, in a busy civil aviation route? That sounds fantastic…..

It had a radar, and it was in a restricted zone. CYR 203 I think it was called. You're not even allowed in there without clearance, in this case from the ship. Definitely not a busy civil aviation route.

[Derek 2.0]

eartly 90's I'd guess. I'd have to look back at my logbook. Anyway I certainly don't need you or anyone to confirm it.And really, isn't this thread supposed to be about that POS the F35?

Great, I served aboard Huron in the early 90s after she came out West.......Of course, pre TRUMP (Playboy bunny funnel era), Huron didn’t even have CIWS

So you calibrated the Phalanx on a ship that didn’t yet have one…….

But I agree, this thread is on the F-35....

Any bets on when the selection will be made public? I’m still going with my earlier prediction of late on a Friday afternoon.

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[Derek 2.0]

It had a radar, and it was in a restricted zone. CYR 203 I think it was called. You're not even allowed in there without clearance, in this case from the ship. Definitely not a busy civil aviation route.

You're the one that stated the Straits of Juan de Fuca........Now do you now the rocky geographic feature closest to said restricted area?

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[On Guard for Thee]

Great, I served aboard Huron in the early 90s after she came out West.......Of course, pre TRUMP (Playboy bunny funnel era), Huron didn’t even have CIWS

So you calibrated the Phalanx on a ship that didn’t yet have one…….

But I agree, this thread is on the F-35....

Any bets on when the selection will be made public? I’m still going with my earlier prediction of late on a Friday afternoon.

So once again, I was never aboard the ship, althpogh I was invited, so I don't know what the hell they were doing, other than what they told me, and I assumed they paid the bill they ran up in YEG.

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[Derek 2.0]

So once again, I was never aboard the ship, althpogh I was invited, so I don't know what the hell they were doing, other than what they told me, and I assumed they paid the bill they ran up in YEG.

I thought you said you had coffee aboard after? Was the HeliDet aboard? Based on when these claimed events took place, I very well could have been aboard myself.......with that said, outside of CT-133s, CP-140s and ourselves (CH-124s) I don't recall ever, charter aircraft playing with us in that timeframe.........What charter line did you fly for? I'm sure MERX would have records of any public tenders from waaaay back then.

[On Guard for Thee]

I thought you said you had coffee aboard after? Was the HeliDet aboard? Based on when these claimed events took place, I very well could have been aboard myself.......with that said, outside of CT-133s, CP-140s and ourselves (CH-124s) I don't recall ever, charter aircraft playing with us in that timeframe.........What charter line did you fly for? I'm sure MERX would have records of any public tenders from waaaay back then.

Is it difficult for you to understand what "never aboard the ship" means? And, the biggest rotary wing company in the world was the "charter line" as you call it.

[Derek 2.0]

Is it difficult for you to understand what "never aboard the ship" means? And, the biggest rotary wing company in the world was the "charter line" as you call it.

And that company would be? I've also worked directly for and continue to sub for Bell Textron if that helps before you answer.

[On Guard for Thee]

Ever heard of CHC?

[Derek 2.0]

Ever heard of CHC?

You bet.....But during that timeframe they were largely based in the interior doing private charters, heli-logging etc……So you’re now suggesting the Navy charted a helicopter, from a company that at the time worked heavily in the forestry industry, to conduct a calibration on a CIWS, that was years away from being installed on said ship, when they had a gaggle of Sea Kings, Silver Stars and Auroras based on Vancouver Island already paid for and intended to work in said environment?

[On Guard for Thee]

You bet.....But during that timeframe they were largely based in the interior doing private charters, heli-logging etc……So you’re now suggesting the Navy charted a helicopter, from a company that at the time worked heavily in the forestry industry, to conduct a calibration on a CIWS, that was years away from being installed on said ship, when they had a gaggle of Sea Kings, Silver Stars and Auroras based on Vancouver Island already paid for and intended to work in said environment?

Apparently you don't know much about CHC. I was at home from my regular job in West Africa at the time.

[On Guard for Thee]

And I have no idea why they didn't use their own aircraft. It did interfere a bit with by bbq season, but I made allowances. It was only a week and I got to take some friends for a ride since all I had to do was fly around in circles. Only on the last day I took a bunch of "brass" from Esq. who decided to come along for the ride.

[Derek 2.0]

Apparently you don't know much about CHC. I was at home from my regular job in West Africa at the time.

Well actually I do......CHC/Canadian works heavily in the logging industry in British Columbia......Not providing support to non existent naval requirements......

[Derek 2.0]

And I have no idea why they didn't use their own aircraft. It did interfere a bit with by bbq season, but I made allowances. It was only a week and I got to take some friends for a ride since all I had to do was fly around in circles. Only on the last day I took a bunch of "brass" from Esq. who decided to come along for the ride.

What type were you in? And the "brass" would have been aboard, if at sea, his flagship, the then HMCS Huron.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well actually I do......CHC/Canadian works heavily in the logging industry in British Columbia......Not providing support to non existent naval requirements......

Haven't done for years.

[Derek 2.0]

Haven't done for years.

Haven't done what for years?

[On Guard for Thee]

What type were you in? And the "brass" would have been aboard, if at sea, his flagship, the then HMCS Huron.

Brass from the base, not from the ship. I'm sure the appropriate people were aboard the Huron on the day. The office boys just wanted to go for a spin in the helicopter they were paying for (well the taxpayer at their guidance of course)

[On Guard for Thee]

Haven't done what for years?

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