There is no apparent resolution of the Israeli situation

[DogOnPorch]

It's more difficult than that. Those 'scattered pockets' of Orthodox Jews are not there with the sole intention of pissing-off Arabs. They do, in-fact, feel a deep connection to the area that we as non-Jews/non-religious types just can't fathom. As pointed out, the majority of Jewish (worldwide) holy sites are located in Judea/Samaria. Not to mention the birthplace of Christ and a few other notables. Mecca is over that-a-way. Not in the Levant.

Jesus freakin christ....

Irony accepted.

[GostHacked]

I don't think the IDF should be in the business of evicting Jews from their chosen homes. If Israel withdraws from the West Bank as it withdrew from Gaza, it should let Jews living in the West Bank make the choice for themselves, of whether to return to Israel or take their chances under the PA. I expect most Jews would return, but for those that really want to stay, I really don't see why it should be Israel's role to tell them that they can't and to remove them by force.

There is the issue of the IDF razing Palestinian homes. In some cases the lack of building permits were cited as the reason. With the newly recognized state, it prevents Israel /IDF having any say in the West Bank with how the structures are dealt with.

If people want to stay then they become part of Palestine, if they don't want to stay, they always have the right of return to Israel.

[DogOnPorch]

Try building a house in Canada w/o a building permit. It will be 'razed' too.

[GostHacked]

Try building a house in Canada w/o a building permit. It will be 'razed' too.

That is just one of the reasons why a house is razed. Let's say I live in the West Bank. Living in the West Bank should mean I go to the West Bank government to get a permit for a building. But instead I'd have to go to Israel to apply for a permit, that's if I could get my stinky Palestinian ass across the border in order to submit an application for a building permit. But if I am not allowed across, there is no way I have a chance of building a home.

And now we have Israel approving 3000 new homes in the West Bank.

Sure seems fair .. right?

[DogOnPorch]

When you lose a war that you started, bad things can happen until you straighten-up and fly right. Ask Japan.

Edited December 1, 2012 by DogOnPorch

[GostHacked]

When you lose a war that you started, bad things can happen until you straighten-up and fly right. Ask Japan.

I've never seen anyone as bitter as you over this recognition of the Palestinian state. Shines through in every post you make.

[DogOnPorch]

I've never seen anyone as bitter as you over this recognition of the Palestinian state. Shines through in every post you make.

It's true and you know it. You attack me personally every time you KNOW I'm right.

[Guest Peeves]

Seems to me Israel has been 'holding' that land to conditions now since 1967. At some point isn't possession 9 points of the law.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/p/possession-is-nine-points-of-the-law/

The P.A. hasn't officially changed it's position on the legitimacy of an Israeli state but wants to be recognized itself.

Rather self serving attitude huh?

[Guest American Woman]

It's true and you know it. You attack me personally every time you KNOW I'm right.

Amen to that.

And again, I find it incredible that someone who speaks of the desire to see Israel and Gaza irradiate each other because he is bored with a conflict that has been going on longer than he's been alive would have the gall to accuse anyone else of being "bitter."

I find it incredible, also, that someone who claims to feel the same disdain for both sides only accuses one side of being "bitter."

"It's the nature of the beast."

[GostHacked]

It's true and you know it. You attack me personally every time you KNOW I'm right.

As I stated before I just don't care. You may think you are right, but sometimes you have to just let things go and move on. You don't like to answer me, so why should I be obligated to answer you? Come on we've been playing the game for a long time, drop the charade and tells us how you really feel.

Not like it matters anyways how you feel. Both those groups on the other side of the planet care little about what you or I think or feel. But at least this place gives you a nice avenue to vent your frustrations.

And for someone who is claiming to be a victim of personal attacks while he has doe the same thing to others in a nice round about sort of way. For example: 'hug a terrorist' 'hug a suicide bomber ect', is really getting tiring and showing your true colours.

Damn where is Pat Condi when you need him !!!!

Time to turn a new page over and start something new.

Edited December 1, 2012 by GostHacked

[GostHacked]

Amen to that.

And again, I find it incredible that someone who speaks of the desire to see Israel and Gaza irradiate each other because he is bored with a conflict that has been going on longer than he's been alive would have the gall to accuse anyone else of being "bitter."

I find it incredible, also, that someone who claims to feel the same disdain for both sides only accuses one side of being "bitter."

"It's the nature of the beast."

I guess it was not that obvious to people that I was simply mocking others in the forum regarding this situation. If you took it at face value, then no wonder you seem to miss out on a lot of other posts in which you seem confused. You can't see or think past the words on the screen.

[Canuckistani]

Canuckistani, on 01 December 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Sure, give em citizenship. But since they'll lose the land they stole, doubt too many will want to hang around.

I'm sure they're armed.

That would be insurrection. That won't work out to well for the settlers either.

[Bonam]

I guess it was not that obvious to people that I was simply mocking others in the forum regarding this situation.

Hah, right. You've been ranting about how tired you are of hearing about the Arab-Israeli conflict and that they'd all hurry up and kill each other so you wouldn't have to hear about it for years. Now when someone calls you on it for about the 231370328th time it's suddenly just "mockery"?

[Canuckistani]

Try building a house in Canada w/o a building permit. It will be 'razed' too.

We don't get out building permits from the US, but right here in our own state.

[Guest Peeves]

I've never seen anyone as bitter as you over this recognition of the Palestinian state. Shines through in every post you make.

I think you finally may get the point.

There is no Palestinian state until Israel says there is. That won't happen until the Arabs accept a Jewish state, its borders, and its guaranteed security.

I would never allow an avowed enemy to live next to me if I were able to prevent it, would you? Israel has control of a disputed area. There are dozens of other disputed areas in the world. Why is The West Bank the one the anti-Israelis fixate on?

Now Abbas has shown more concession to a peaceful relationship, but, still never changed the P.A.'s position on Israel formally as indicated in (I believe) 1973?)

Until there are concessions, the West Bank is a self avowed enemy.

BTW. A point most if not all here are ignoring. I say, ANYONE that signs a peace treaty accepting the legitimacy of Israel, will quickly be assassinated. And, they will not be considered a martyr, but rather a traitor. Abbas knows that.

Typos.

Edited December 1, 2012 by Peeves

[Guest American Woman]

I guess it was not that obvious to people that I was simply mocking others in the forum regarding this situation. If you took it at face value, then no wonder you seem to miss out on a lot of other posts in which you seem confused. You can't see or think past the words on the screen.

Or perhaps your "mocking" posts aren't so different from your apparently serious posts. Nice attempt at a save, though, accusing me of being the one with the problem. Seems to be your M.O. as of late - insult the messenger when you don't like and/or can't refute the message. But here's a tip - lose the "mocking" responses if you don't want to be mocked in response.

[GostHacked]

Hah, right. You've been ranting about how tired you are of hearing about the Arab-Israeli conflict and that they'd all hurry up and kill each other so you wouldn't have to hear about it for years. Now when someone calls you on it for about the 231370328th time it's suddenly just "mockery"?

I am tired of hearing about it, and of course it was mockery. It was a mockery to those who throw the war porn out. And when I wanted more said in a mocking way, all of a sudden those people had a problem with it. Others here have advocated for cleansing the Palestinians out, and when I get on their side in a mocking way, there is an about face. Why is that?

You don't have to call me out on anything. I don't support any more war, I'd love to have peace. But again, I will point out that my feelings and position on it are completely irrelevant to any resolution whatever it may be. I can ask for more war, irrelevant, I can ask for peace, irrelevant.

I also said that a resolution will come out only if one or the other are driven out. But that might not even solve things.

[GostHacked]

Or perhaps your "mocking" posts aren't so different from your apparently serious posts. Nice attempt at a save, though, accusing me of being the one with the problem. Seems to be your M.O. as of late - insult the messenger when you don't like and/or can't refute the message. But here's a tip - lose the "mocking" responses if you don't want to be mocked in response.

it works for other posters here, and when thrown back at them, they have a problem with it all of a sudden. Oh and please.. mock away.

[Bonam]

But again, I will point out that my feelings and position on it are completely irrelevant to any resolution whatever it may be.

Ok, good to know. In that case, feel free to let me know when/if you choose to post something relevant.

[Guest American Woman]

]GostHacked, on 01 December 2012 - 02:30 PM, said: [/b]But again, I will point out that my feelings and position on it are completely irrelevant to any resolution whatever it may be.

Ok, good to know. In that case, feel free to let me know when/if you choose to post something relevant.

Ditto. Please do advise as to whether or not it's "mockery."

Edited December 1, 2012 by American Woman

[DogOnPorch]

We don't get out building permits from the US, but right here in our own state.

Ever see that episode of Family Guy where Peter declares himself a state? Classic Palestine.

[DogOnPorch]

That would be insurrection. That won't work out to well for the settlers either.

I didn't arm them.

[GostHacked]

I think you finally may get the point.

There is no Palestinian state until Israel says there is. That won't happen until the Arabs accept a Jewish state, its borders, and its guaranteed security.

I would never allow an avowed enemy to live next to me if I were able to prevent it, would you?

They've allowed it for over 60 years. Having a recognized Palestine with solid borders to me is accepting Israel as a legitimate state. They want statehood and they got it. Now this can actually be a benefit for Israel. With Palestine having recognized statehood and recognized borders, they now have to play within the same ruleset as Israel. If they fire rockets, then Israel has full rights within the international law rule set, to push back and hammer them. Full declarations of war can happen and would be legal in the international law rule set.

Have there been rocket attacks from the West Bank? Or have they all been from Gaza? Just looking for some clarity on this.

But this also means that Israel cannot attack with impunity anymore. Because the repercussions that any Israel attack (that's on the notion that they started it) on Gaza or the West Bank would be considered an act of war between two recognized states, in which Palestine has full rights to hammer back.

Palestine now gets to play with the big boys and gets all the benefits and downfalls that come from a recognized state. Maybe we can come back a year from now to see what progress has been made. If any.

[GostHacked]

Ok, good to know. In that case, feel free to let me know when/if you choose to post something relevant.

I guess that would be for you to decide if my post is relevant or something. I post what I think is relevant, but that does not meant it is relevant to others.

[DogOnPorch]

Amen to that.

And again, I find it incredible that someone who speaks of the desire to see Israel and Gaza irradiate each other because he is bored with a conflict that has been going on longer than he's been alive would have the gall to accuse anyone else of being "bitter."

I find it incredible, also, that someone who claims to feel the same disdain for both sides only accuses one side of being "bitter."

"It's the nature of the beast."

Again, I'm rather used to it. The only defense against history and facts is to make the messenger look crazy. You'll see it the next time the Grand Mufti is brought up. Or, it's pointed out that both Fatah and Hamas use the old Nazi salute for some reason. Or, that moderate Fatah is the home of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade (not moderate at all). Or, that Yasser Arafat was Egyptian. Or, that....[fill in blank].