Hamas is neither moral, ethical nor civilised.

[dre]

It is a fact that the Arabs turned down an opportunity of an Arab state offered at the same time. They chose to attack the Jewish state, and have continued to do so ever since.

The two parties to CONFLICT: DIRTFARM HOLYLAND have both attacked each other countless times.

[Canuckistani]

It is a fact that the Arabs turned down an opportunity of an Arab state offered at the same time. They chose to attack the Jewish state, and have continued to do so ever since.

Taking land is also an attack, even if no shots are fired. Israel can't keep expanding its territory and play the victim card at the same time.

[DogOnPorch]

Not to mention the Balfour Declaration didn't promise Arabs anything. Also, the Arabs were practicing their own version of Zionism under the Mufti. Few ask WHY Jerusalem is 'the third holiest place in Islam'. It was the Mufti that rebuilt the ruins of the Mosque of Omar and al-Aqsa (then pocketing the rest of the donations) and pushed Omar's claim that lo...the Jews' Temple and the Even ha Shetiya in particular, was the very spot called the furthest mosque where Mohammed went to heaven. The Church Lady had a phrase for that...

[GostHacked]

I suppose that would hold water if the same folks making all the "anti-Zionist" threads also devoted the same attention to other areas of the planet. But...alas...

Zionism is a political movement.

[GostHacked]

Not to mention the Balfour Declaration didn't promise Arabs anything. Also, the Arabs were practicing their own version of Zionism under the Mufti. Few ask WHY Jerusalem is 'the third holiest place in Islam'. It was the Mufti that rebuilt the ruins of the Mosque of Omar and al-Aqsa (then pocketing the rest of the donations) and pushed Omar's claim that lo...the Jews' Temple and the Even ha Shetiya in particular, was the very spot called the furthest mosque where Mohammed went to heaven. The Church Lady had a phrase for that...

The Balfour declaration did not promise the Jews anything either.

[Guest Peeves]

I doubt I could ever prove it to your satisfaction, but your post about Israel in Lake Michigan is all the proof I need. Israel is the size it is, Israelis should live with it, not follow their expansionist policies into Palestine. (Or whatever the Palestinians want to call their state.)

Oh c'mon give it a try or, admit you are simply a provocateur/troll that can't back up at best are agitprop.

[DogOnPorch]

The Balfour declaration did not promise the Jews anything either.

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Keep in mind the British PAID the Arabs in GOLD to fight WW1 against the Turks. The Jews were happy to help for free..both world wars.

[Canuckistani]

Oh c'mon give it a try or, admit you are simply a provocateur/troll that can't back up at best are agitprop.

You see, you won't accept it. Your post about how small Israel is, is a Lebensraum argument. Israel is the size it is, doesn't matter how small. Palestine would be an even smaller country. Lichtenstein is even smaller. To argue that the Jewish Volk deserves more space is exactly the arguments that Nazi Germany made.

[GostHacked]

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

Keep in mind the British PAID the Arabs in GOLD to fight WW1 against the Turks. The Jews were happy to help for free..both world wars.

You and I both know the Balfour Declaration was never part of Britain's official policy, so to say it made any guarantees to either the Jews or Palestinians is wrong.

[DogOnPorch]

You and I both know the Balfour Declaration was never part of Britain's official policy, so to say it made any guarantees to either the Jews or Palestinians is wrong.

Yes it was as it became part of the mandate for Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Palestine_%28legal_instrument%29

[Guest Peeves]

On what condition should Israel stop settling and give up the West Bank (Jordan land?)

At least there should be a peace and border guarantee?

http://www.adl.org/i...d/yomkippur.asp

Excerpts:

In an effort to force Israel to unilaterally surrender captured lands, Egypt and Syria jointly attacked Israel on October 6, 1973, on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the Jewish calendar. Other Arab states contributed troops and financial support. Caught by surprise, Israel suffered severe losses in human life and equipment.

Within Israel, the October 1973 war intensified the debate about the future of Israel's control over the 1967 territories. Some interpreted the war as further evidence of the need to populate and strengthen these areas for security and strategic reasons. As a result, Israeli settlements in the 1967 areas increased. The government permitted and at times, encouraged, Jews to live in the territories. Other Israelis viewed the territories -- the West Bank in particular -- in religious and messianic terms. Members of Gush Emunim, the Bloc of the Faithful, also increased their presence in the area.

Even the name of these areas has stimulated debate. Some use the term "West Bank and Gaza" with West Bank referring to the west bank of the Jordan River. Others say that "West Bank" is inappropriate because it falsely suggests that the area belongs to Jordan. Some prefer to call the areas "Judea and Samaria" ­ the names used to refer to these areas in biblical times.

[Guest Peeves]

You see, you won't accept it. Your post about how small Israel is, is a Lebensraum argument. Israel is the size it is, doesn't matter how small. Palestine would be an even smaller country. Lichtenstein is even smaller. To argue that the Jewish Volk deserves more space is exactly the arguments that Nazi Germany made.

Ok I accept that you are unable and simply trolling.

[GostHacked]

Yes it was as it became part of the mandate for Palestine.

http://en.wikipedia....gal_instrument)

Which one? Apparently there are two different 'Balfour Declarations'. ??

[DogOnPorch]

On what condition should Israel stop settling and give up the West Bank (Jordan land?)

At least there should be a peace and border guarantee?

http://www.adl.org/i...d/yomkippur.asp

Excerpts:

Yes...as I pointed out in another post, many Jewish Holy sites are located in the WB including the Cave of the Patriarchs and Joseph's and Rachel's tombs.

[DogOnPorch]

Which one? Apparently there are two different 'Balfour Declarations'. ??

The Treaty of Sevres came after...1920.

[DogOnPorch]

Zionism is a political movement.

From long ago. Israel is now a fact.

[GostHacked]

From long ago. Israel is now a fact.

It's still a political movement, nothing more.

[GostHacked]

Also since you have brought up the Balfour Declaration, and you seem to be using it as a basis for how Israel was created, then how did the Jews create their own state if this document was integral in their creation? Did the Jews hijack parts of the UK's government in order to bring this about?

[DogOnPorch]

It's still a political movement, nothing more.

Yes...from long ago. Now gone...replaced with Israel itself.

[DogOnPorch]

Also since you have brought up the Balfour Declaration, and you seem to be using it as a basis for how Israel was created, then how did the Jews create their own state if this document was integral in their creation? Did the Jews hijack parts of the UK's government in order to bring this about?

I didn't bring it up. Ask the fellow who did.

[GostHacked]

Yes...from long ago. Now gone...replaced with Israel itself.

Zionism still exists.

[GostHacked]

I didn't bring it up. Ask the fellow who did.

That's about as good as saying 'I don't want to answer '.

[DogOnPorch]

That's about as good as saying 'I don't want to answer '.

Seriously...ask the fellow that brought it up. I'm sure he can give you a response you can agree with. If I said the sky was blue, you'd disagree out of principle...lol.

[GostHacked]

Seriously...ask the fellow that brought it up. I'm sure he can give you a response you can agree with. If I said the sky was blue, you'd disagree out of principle...lol.

I agree with you on quite a few things. But I was not asking him. I was asking you. Regardless of him bringing it up.

[DogOnPorch]

Zionism still exists.

Yes...in the minds of various Jew baiters.