bleeding heart Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 He hasn't been charged because he's refused to return to Sweden. You should inform the Swedish authorities, because they seem to disagree with you. They want him for questioning...whether or not that subsequently leads to charges depends, presumably, on how the questioning goes. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 You're absolutely right, I should have been more clear in my meaning. Forgot I was communicating with Hilary Clinton. Yes, I most definitely am absolutely right....and thank you for the compliment. Quote
Canuckistani Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) Try following along. It matters for the reasons I stated. So (Igloo of Parliament)Huckabee isn't just interested in forcing women to carry babies they don't want to term. Yep, that's an important point alright. Edited August 23, 2012 by Canuckistani Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 So (Igloo of Parliament)Huckabee isn't just interested in forcing women to carry babies they don't want to term. Yep, that's an important point alright. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Black Dog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 I haven't heard that. If true, yep, that's rape. Remember that he hasn't even been charged, never mind convicted. Actually, on further investigation, he's accused of having sex with someone while she was sleeping. That is rape. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 So (Igloo of Parliament)Huckabee isn't just interested in forcing women to carry babies they don't want to term. Yep, that's an important point alright. If that's all you got out of my observations - I'm not surprised. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Actually, on further investigation, he's accused of having sex with someone while she was sleeping. That is rape. There's no question, none at all (or shouldn't be) that if Assange is guilty, he's guilty of one serious sexual assault and one even more serious sexual assault. And certainly "rape" is not an unreasonable word. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Argus Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 There's no question, none at all (or shouldn't be) that if Assange is guilty, he's guilty of one serious sexual assault and one even more serious sexual assault. And certainly "rape" is not an unreasonable word. You obviously haven't talked to Detective Wyly. He's looked into it, and its definitely not rape. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest American Woman Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 You obviously haven't talked to Detective Wyly. He's looked into it, and its definitely not rape. He also claims that "if assange is [a] sexual criminal most of the men in canada would be sexual criminals as well." Evidently, according to Wyly, this is typical behavior of Canadian men. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) He also claims that "if assange is [a] sexual criminal most of the men in canada would be sexual criminals as well." Evidently, according to Wyly, this is typical behavior of Canadian men. Personally I think that many men would rightly be considered sexual criminals if they or their partners/victims had a better understanding of these things. Unfortunately a lot of people still think of rape or sexual misconduct as something that happens at knifepoint in dark alleyways and parkades. Edited August 23, 2012 by Black Dog Quote
Guest American Woman Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Your usual Canadian-baiting aside, Say what?? Good God you're paranoid. I thinking that many men would rightly be considered sexual criminals if they or their partners/victims had a better understanding of these things. Unfortunately a lot of people still think of rape or sexual misconduct as something that happens at knifepoint in dark alleyways and parkades. Evidently I have greater faith in the men of Canada than you do. I'd be willing to wager that most of them have not engaged in the behavior that Assange is being accused of. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Personally I think that many men would rightly be considered sexual criminals if they or their partners/victims had a better understanding of these things. Unfortunately a lot of people still think of rape or sexual misconduct as something that happens at knifepoint in dark alleyways and parkades. Right...the least common type of sexual assault remains the one that many people feel properly describes the whole. Hence the "legitimate" and "forcible" rape "discussions" we've been hearing lately. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Black Dog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 Say what?? Good God you're paranoid. I didn't see the reference to Canada in the original quote, so I just figured you were picking up the bushcheney2004 shtick for a second. As you see, I've amended that. Evidently I have greater faith in the men of Canada than you do. I'd be willing to wager that most of them have not engaged in the behavior that Assange is being accused of. I didn't say "most" now did I? Quote
msj Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 I didn't say "most" now did I? I love it when pedanticity (pedanticalness?) meets anal retentiveness head on! Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 “At that point, if God has chosen to bless this person with a life, you don’t kill it.” Missouri Rapeublican Sharon Barnes says rape pregnancies are a blessing from God. -k Reading this is like hearing nails on a chalkboard. It is unbelievable how completely f'ing stupid these a'holes are. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 I'm not so sure his statement is just to support his argument against abortion; I feel that his statement is true. Some rape victims do choose to carry the resulting pregnancy to term, and the children are no less wonderful than any other person. They aren't born deserving a scarlet letter on their forehead. So that may be what Huckabee is saying, too; children of rape need to know that they are just as deserving of life as the kid sitting next to him/her in school, and just as special. Perhaps that is part of the message here. Nice pretzel you've twisted up there. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Nice pretzel you've twisted up there. That Huckabee's real message is meant to make children of rape feel better about themselves, or to educate the public about their worthiness? Yeah....it sounds like a bit of a stretch, shall we say. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
msj Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Just to show how disgusting the mindset is for people of this ilk: Hayride Cartoon: Do We Really Want To Keep Talking About Akin? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
dre Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Say what?? Good God you're paranoid. Evidently I have greater faith in the men of Canada than you do. I'd be willing to wager that most of them have not engaged in the behavior that Assange is being accused of. I dunno Iv engaged sleeping women in intercourse hundreds of times. If you did that to a stranger its certainly rape, but if you already have a consensual sexual relationship its pretty damn normal. In this case not only did that consensual relationship already exist it went on for more than a week AFTER. The problem with the term "rape" is as I said before is that it makes no logical sense to use the same term to describe what Assange is alledged to have done, with the same word you would use to describe a man that cornered a women in a dark alley or a park trail and forcefully beat and sodomized her. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Guest American Woman Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 I didn't see the reference to Canada in the original quote, so I just figured you were picking up the bushcheney2004 shtick for a second. As you see, I've amended that. As I said, paranoid. Or perhaps just overly defensive? I didn't say "most" now did I? You were responding to the claim that "most" would, a claim that I was clearly highlighting for the the absurdity of it, and your response was not to disagree, but to say "I [sic] thinking that many men would rightly be ...." So while you didn't say "most," it didn't exactly come across as if you were disagreeing with the original comment now did it? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) I dunno Iv engaged sleeping women in intercourse hundreds of times. Holy shit. You are a rapist. If you did that to a stranger its certainly rape, but if you already have a consensual sexual relationship its pretty damn normal. Normal? Maybe. Rape? Definitely. There's no such thing as implied consent. In this case not only did that consensual relationship already exist it went on for more than a week AFTER. By this logic, a husband couldn't rape his wife. But we know that's not true. The problem with the term "rape" is as I said before is that it makes no logical sense to use the same term to describe what Assange is alledged to have done, with the same word you would use to describe a man that cornered a women in a dark alley or a park trail and forcefully beat and sodomized her. Not that I expect an admitted rapist to get it, but the issue is the same: no consent was granted for the sexual act. Knife point, drunk, or sleeping, it's all basically the same. Edited August 23, 2012 by Black Dog Quote
Black Dog Posted August 23, 2012 Author Report Posted August 23, 2012 As I said, paranoid. Or perhaps just overly defensive? You were responding to the claim that "most" would, a claim that I was clearly highlighting for the the absurdity of it, and your response was not to disagree, but to say "I [sic] thinking that many men would rightly be ...." So while you didn't say "most," it didn't exactly come across as if you were disagreeing with the original comment now did it? Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother. You're not worth it. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 "Many" and "most" remain quite different words...whatever your personal perception of them. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Guest American Woman Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 Yeah, I'm not even gonna bother. You're not worth it. Quote
msj Posted August 23, 2012 Report Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) "Many" and "most" remain quite different words...whatever your personal perception of them. Well, to be drawn into this anal retentiveness, yes, they are different. If 100,000 men ever coerced their girlfriend/wife into having sex then that would be "many" men who would fit under Canada's definition of sexual assault. On the other hand, if, say 13,000,000 men out of a total population of 16,000,000 men (81.25% to be precise ) did this then that would be "most." Sadly, I can believe the 100,000 number as being plausible and likely too low. Edited August 23, 2012 by msj Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
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