madmax Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 It's certainly not some argument between "hug-a-thug" ideological liberals versus hard-nosed, practical conservatives. On the contrary, heated ideological exchanges aside, both camps have often made use of strong, non-partisan studies and arguments to bolster their respective views. I will pay attention when I see people like Conrad Black go to prison in Canada. The rest is partizan nonsense to support private prisons. Any excuse will do. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) I will pay attention when I see people like Conrad Black go to prison in Canada. The rest is partizan nonsense to support private prisons. Any excuse will do. People who support private prisons have little interest in issues of crime and justice. Because that's not what privatized prisons are about. Edited August 9, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
PIK Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 I will pay attention when I see people like Conrad Black go to prison in Canada. The rest is partizan nonsense to support private prisons. Any excuse will do. Why for starting the post? Canadians should all be pissed at his treatment by the american justice system, no matter what side you are on. And he took it like a man. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 So...the Cnservatives want to build new prisons because they're concerned about the well-being of the inmates? What has stopped them from making these feelings public, then? I thought they wanted to build more prisons to house all the people who are never caught because of the high rate of unreported crime. (If that sounds contradictory, it is...but I'm not the one making the claimns, and then offering the lunatic prescriptions for these claims.) They have mentioned that before. And the unreported crime thing is real. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
bleeding heart Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 They have mentioned that before. And the unreported crime thing is real. Sigh. I didn't think it would need to be spelled out: More prisons have exactly zero effect on unreported crime. Because you can't convict someone for a crime that is never reported. Why does the hyper-obvious even need to be explained??? Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Why for starting the post? Canadians should all be pissed at his treatment by the american justice system, no matter what side you are on. And he took it like a man. Took it like a man? Then that goes for an awful lot of convicted folks, does it not? Edited August 9, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
guyser Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 Why does the hyper-obvious even need to be explained??? Because, like things such as the long form census, the Conservatives dont want facts, they want suspected outcomes to rule the roost. They suspect that unreported crimes are horrible to fit the agenda of crime and punishment. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 Because, like things such as the long form census, the Conservatives dont want facts, they want suspected outcomes to rule the roost. They suspect that unreported crimes are horrible to fit the agenda of crime and punishment. Oh yeah, I get that. But this reaches to new levels of lunacy. "We're going to build more prisons to house those criminals whose crimes are never reported and so are never arrested." A sparkling new prison system filled with the ghosts of ideological dreams. A pretty expensive do-nothing fantasy. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
guyser Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 A sparkling new prison system filled with the ghosts of ideological dreams. A pretty expensive do-nothing fantasy. Not entirely imho Kingston Pen is pretty decrepit. It needs an overhaul and probably cheal;er to tear it down and build a new one. Thar, to me at least, makes sense. It is the rest of brown that comes out of the mouths of Conservatives and their idiotic crime woody they have that is nonsense. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Not entirely imho Kingston Pen is pretty decrepit. It needs an overhaul and probably cheal;er to tear it down and build a new one. Thar, to me at least, makes sense. It is the rest of brown that comes out of the mouths of Conservatives and their idiotic crime woody they have that is nonsense. Sure, don't get me wrong. I'm not in any way opposed to upgrading prisons. They're buildings; they eventually need to be rebuilt. Period. But yes, the Conservative's ideas on crime are silly and retrograde, at least for the most part. Edited August 9, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Keepitsimple Posted August 9, 2012 Report Posted August 9, 2012 I'm totally against Private Prisons in terms of contracting out the whole kit and kaboodle. However, I might be able to accept a P3 approach where private money builds and maintains the prisons on a lease-back contract of some sort. We've done that with other institutions like hospitals. Anyway, I'm not against considering an option like that. And really, shouldn't we examine all options before we dismiss them? Quote Back to Basics
madmax Posted August 9, 2012 Author Report Posted August 9, 2012 I'm totally against Private Prisons in terms of contracting out the whole kit and kaboodle. However, I might be able to accept a P3 approach where private money builds and maintains the prisons on a lease-back contract of some sort. We've done that with other institutions like hospitals. Anyway, I'm not against considering an option like that. And really, shouldn't we examine all options before we dismiss them? Well, as the start of this thread shows.... some of these Private Prisons Boards need to reserve the first cell for themselves. But even thats a kickback lol..... As for the P3 model. There is a sucker born every minute. Quote
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