madmax Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) He dragged martins feet to the fire on cuts. It was a unique time to get things done. Mulroney's free trade negotiations and consumption tax, Martin slashing budgets, and manning saying cut more. I don't disagree, I merely state the fact that Preston was not in power and its different when you are in power and facing all the pressures directly. Thus credit ultimately goes to the government. Mulroney ran the highest deficits in the history of this country , until the present Conservative Government surpassed that feat of incompetence. And yes Mulroney was succesful in picking pockets and running up the tab. I'll look at klein and wall for eliminating deficits and balancing budgets while dropping taxes and at the same time allowing industry to prosper. SK when Douglas was around spun it's tires. Then theres rae days in Ontario. How did his running massive deficits do for Ontario? Klien makes the cut but would he have been able to maintain this for 16 consecutive balanced budgets or the 25 in a row that the CCF achieved? Therefore Comment on T D is unfounded. 14 Puts Klien in 2nd, but deficits preceeded him and followed him by the same PC government. It was the era of belt tightening, as per Romanov, Klien, Harris, and Chretien/Martin. Bob Rae massive deficits remind me of Harper, Mulroney, Grant Devine and McGuinty. I am curious to Mulcairs position on Balanced budgets. Harper talks one but seems to come more from the US republican mold then the Reform Mould of Manning and I might even consider Klein more Reform then Conservative. Edited July 19, 2012 by madmax Quote
wyly Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 Klien makes the cut but would he have been able to maintain this for 16 consecutive balanced budgets or the 25 in a row that the CCF achieved? Therefore Comment on T D is unfounded. 14 Puts Klien in 2nd, but deficits preceeded him and followed him by the same PC government. It was the era of belt tightening, as per Romanov, Klien, Harris, and Chretien/Martin. klien was a frigging idiot...he gutted healthcare to a point that 6 yrs after he's gone it's still a mess and a many years away from being where it should be...balancing a budget is not an achievement if it comes at the cost of gutting the basic infrastructure of the province...then there was the lunacy of ralph bucks giving away $1.4 billion while while strangling healthcare and education...the only reason alberta does as well as it does is energy, despite the ineptitude of morons like klie...n alberta's vast wealth could make a dozen drunken monkeys look like a brilliant fiscal management team, and drunken sums up kliens state 90% of the time...putting alberta conservative budget incompetence in perspective in comparison to highly socialized government of Norway and it's oil treasure... -Alberta population 3.6 million-Heritage Fund 15 billion over 36 years... -Norway population 5 million Pension Fund $550 billion over 40 years... how the F*** can a province with so much natural wealth have so little to show for it... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
CPCFTW Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) putting alberta conservative budget incompetence in perspective in comparison to highly socialized government of Norway and it's oil treasure... -Alberta population 3.6 million-Heritage Fund 15 billion over 36 years... -Norway population 5 million Pension Fund $550 billion over 40 years... how the F*** can a province with so much natural wealth have so little to show for it... Probably by not taxing at 40-50%, plus a 25% sales tax. Oslo is the most expensive city in the world to live in. Norway also doesn't have to pay Quebec billions per year. Edited July 19, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
Tilter Posted July 19, 2012 Report Posted July 19, 2012 klien was a frigging idiot...he gutted healthcare to a point that 6 yrs after he's gone it's still a mess and a many years away from being where it should be...balancing a budget is not an achievement if it comes at the cost of gutting the basic infrastructure of the province...then there was the lunacy of ralph bucks giving away $1.4 billion while while strangling healthcare and education...the only reason alberta does as well as it does is energy, despite the ineptitude of morons like klie...n alberta's vast wealth could make a dozen drunken monkeys look like a brilliant fiscal management team, and drunken sums up kliens state 90% of the time... putting alberta conservative budget incompetence in perspective in comparison to highly socialized government of Norway and it's oil treasure... -Alberta population 3.6 million-Heritage Fund 15 billion over 36 years... -Norway population 5 million Pension Fund $550 billion over 40 years... how the F*** can a province with so much natural wealth have so little to show for it... One example might be the wealth growth (personal wealth growth that is) -- A guy is elected to the Social Credit govt just after Leduc. His net worth was a small acreage near Red Deer worth 2 to 3 grand. After being promoted to Resources minister & holding the position fro 20 or so years his net worth was in the neighbourhood of 5 Million Bux, the acreage now being worth 3 or 4 grand. As the position of minister of natural resources paid only around 55,000/yr it would seem hard to explain the discrepancy but he pointed out that his wife was very frugal with her grocery budget. Quote
madmax Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Posted July 19, 2012 (edited) Oslo is the most expensive city in the world to live in. Actually its #15, well behind Tokoyo and Osaka....Nag oya (All Japanese) and Sinapore and HongKong and right behind Sydney Australia at #14 http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/jun/12/tokyo-world-most-expensive-city HOwever Norway does have the HIGHEST standard of Living.... 1. Norway 0.943 () 2. Australia 0.929 () 3. Netherlands 0.910 () 4. United States 0.910 () 5. New Zealand 0.908 () 6. Canada 0.908 () 7. Ireland 0.908 () 8. Liechtenstein 0.905 () 9. Germany 0.905 () 10. Sweden 0.904 () What is interesting is that Canada Standard of Living is falling which is what people are starting to feel. The year represents when the report was published. In parentheses is the year for which the index was calculated. 2011 (2011)– Norway 2010 (2010)– Norway 2009 (2007)– Norway 2008 (2006)– Iceland 2007 (2005)– Iceland 2006 (2004)– Norway 2005 (2003)– Norway 2004 (2002)– Norway 2003 (2001)– Norway 2002 (2000)– Norway 2001 (1999)– Norway 2000 (1998)– Canada 1999 (1997)– Canada 1998 (1995)– Canada 1997 (1994)– Canada 1996 (1993)– Canada 1995 (1992)– Canada 1994 (????)– Canada 1993 (????)– Japan 1992 (1990)– Canada 1991 (1990)– Japan 1990 (????)– Japan Edited July 19, 2012 by madmax Quote
PIK Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) Odd. Economists around the world and OPEC supported his statements about Dutch Disease, while the Conservatives continue to deny the uneven economy. Moreover, NDP governments have run more balanced budgets than any other party. The ignorant buffoons seem to actually know a thing or two and can put it into practice. Federally the NDP would be a disaster, sure they had a few not to bad premiers, that I would say are different then their federal cousins. The dutch thing was blown out of porportion and even dalton has backed down from it, and of course the dutch have done well since thier problems. And I think OPEC will agree to anything to stop canada from selling oil to the world. Edited August 2, 2012 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
punked Posted August 2, 2012 Report Posted August 2, 2012 Federally the NDP would be a disaster, sure they had a few not to bad premiers, that I would say are different then their federal cousins. The dutch thing was blown out of porportion and even dalton has backed down from it, and of course the dutch have done well since thier problems. And I think OPEC will agree to anything to stop canada from selling oil to the world. If you don't recognize a problem. Even one which is a correctable problem then you are the problem. If this was an argument about if the Conservatives are doing enough to make sure the resource sector and manufacturing sector don't hurt one another that would be great. The argument the Cons want is if it is even happening, even after their own study says it is happening and is responsible for 30% of all manufacturing problems in Canada. That isn't right. Address the problem already. Quote
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