Alex Jones Exposes Atheists

[Guest Manny]

"Countless universes exist, like bubbles in sea foam. They vary in size and are walled off from one another by immense layers of gross and subtle matter." - Hindu Puranas. It's only taken us 5,000 years to come full circle in this thought.

[cybercoma]

Well your question was "whats outside the known universe?".

Both the atheist and the agnostic would answer "the unknown universe" or "I dont know". The only difference is the atheist would be sure its not god, and the agnostic wouldnt.

It seems you are suggesting that atheists reject the idea of the unknown, and so they would say "nothing", but I dont know of any aspect of atheism that would suggest this. Theres no reason an atheist would not have an open mind to "something" being outside our "known universe", or even a trillion other unknown universes. They just think that what IS there a diety (as defined by humanity) didnt make it, and does not exist.

We had a very thorough discussion about this in the thread about Atheism.

[WIP]

"Countless universes exist, like bubbles in sea foam. They vary in size and are walled off from one another by immense layers of gross and subtle matter." - Hindu Puranas. It's only taken us 5,000 years to come full circle in this thought.

Did all that come from the original texts, or has something been added or embellished in the story? Either way, if they had some intuitive insight into nature, they may have realized that our world is not perfect, and everything in it decays and dies, so it would only make sense that the universe itself would eventually die.

What we do know now, courtesy of advanced astrophysics, is that the expansion of the universe is acclerating....not slowing down as long suspected. I remember for years, when I read books on astronomy and cosmology, or heard the odd interview with an expert on the CBC, that the debate had long been argued over how much the rate of expansion was slowing down. Was the expansion slow enough to cause the expansion to stop, and the universe to collapse back together? Or would it the expansion be too rapid for gravity to pull it all back together in the distant future. But, measurements first taken in France about 15 years ago, and then confirmed by later measurements all around the world, confirmed that the expansion was accelerating....driving the universe apart faster and faster! This unexpected finding led to the dusting off of Einstein's Cosmological Constant, and the proposal that a "dark" energy pervades the universe, and makes up about 70% of the stuff of the universe. There is an alternative approach to explaining the acceleration without a dark energy from a string theorist who hails from the Republic of Georgia, but it doesn't matter in the long run, because whatever is causing the universe to fly apart, will keep on going until the universe essentially dies a heat death, or alternatively - it's possible, according to some physicists, that the fabric of space-time itself may just disintegrate, or go poof once the density falls below a critical mass. Either way, it means the end, or the death of the universe.

And that should put to rest any thoughts transhumanists might have of achieving immortality through scientific discovery....although living for a hundred billion years would seem like an eternity! It should provide a little humbling to the egotists who literally and figuratively work to leave monuments behind of themselves as some kind of permanent legacy...but it likely won't....because they will be the last to figure out that everything about our lives and everything else will vanish with this universe at the end of time. But, there's always new universes popping into existence elsewhere. And all this is why a Many Worlds cosmology has to be taken as the norm, rather than the idea that this universe is a singular, one-off event that will never be repeated.

For people looking for God, or a creator that will provide real meaning and purpose to all of this, that would make the cosmological framework that would be needed to support an infinite multitude of universes, the thing that is eternal and the possible location of the real designer. But, that would make the creator even more remote from humans than a God who has to watch over this world and billions of planets. The God of the Metaverse would have an incalculable number of universes to manage.