The RCMP is getting drunk on your tax dollars

[cybercoma]

Besides, there could be privacy issues. The Mess Hall is a place where officers can get together, talk about work if they have to and not worry about who might overhear them. Once they step outside, they're not allowed to talk about their jobs at all.

Worrying about a liquor license in an RCMP mess hall is indeed a mountain out of a molehill.

[dre]

I'm not sure if such interaction is a good idea, Dr. Dre. While we have witnessed the crowds paying respect along the Highway of Heroes we also have a good many people who are anti-military and police. They would see open access to an RCMP mess hall as an opportunity to stage demonstrations.

It could get ugly!

I was talking about cops drinking in pubs and taverns like everyone else. Not allowing the public into a mess.

The only way there should even BE a police mess is if they raise the funds to pay for it themselves. Lots of people have dangerous and stressfull jobs, and dont get to have their own special tax payer funded pubs.

Worrying about a liquor license in an RCMP mess hall is indeed a mountain out of a molehill.

Im not worried about it. I just dont want to pay any money for it.

Edited June 22, 2012 by dre

[dre]

BTW... how the hell does a government that cant even pay its own employees without borrowing money from folks around the world spend over a billion dollars on a god damn police station? Seems out of wack to me... thats 20 times what it cost to build the panama canal.

It will cost almost as much as the Burj Dubai mega project which is tallest building on the entire planet and cost 1.5 billion.

What the hell is going on here?

[bleeding heart]

BTW... how the hell does a government that cant even pay its own employees without borrowing money from folks around the world spend over a billion dollars on a god damn police station? Seems out of wack to me... thats 20 times what it cost to build the panama canal.

It will cost almost as much as the Burj Dubai mega project which is tallest building on the entire planet and cost 1.5 billion.

What the hell is going on here?

Jeez...my eyes somehow skipped right over that. That first line is more important than the subject of the article itself, I think.

It's a hell of a lot of money. If it's justifiable, then they must be able to explain it, plainly and without equivocation.

[westguy]

I've never been shaken down for drinking alcohol. Prohibition ended a long time ago. I can even go into stores and buy it myself without being harassed by the police.

you speak only for yourself - not everyone is treated as well by the RCMP

[bleeding heart]

you speak only for yourself - not everyone is treated as well by the RCMP

No, and there have been growing controversies, and very legitimate complaints and concerns against the organization.

But to my knowledge, alcohol is not part of the issue.

[Rick]

No, and there have been growing controversies, and very legitimate complaints and concerns against the organization.

But to my knowledge, alcohol is not part of the issue.

Yes it is. A big issue.

http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/iphone/news/latest/story.html?id=6661604

Staff Sgt. Don Ray is the latest in a long line of high-ranking RCMP members to be reprimanded for sexual misconduct on the job.

While stationed in Edmonton and in charge of the RCMP polygraph unit Staff Sgt. Don Ray regularly held parties, got subordinates drunk, made sexual advances and had sex in RCMP offices.

He has since been transferred to British Columbia.

An internal report that has not been made public yet was quoted saying Staff Sgt. Ray “exhibited a ‘serial’ pattern of ‘disgraceful’ conduct.”

[dre]

Yes it is. A big issue.

http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald/iphone/news/latest/story.html?id=6661604

Oh gee thanx. They moved the retard to BC

On another note... BC oughtta make its own police force and get rid of the RCMP.

[Signals.Cpl]

Oh gee thanx. They moved the retard to BC

On another note... BC oughtta make its own police force and get rid of the RCMP.

Yes, because creating a whole other unit will save so much money...

[Signals.Cpl]

BTW... how the hell does a government that cant even pay its own employees without borrowing money from folks around the world spend over a billion dollars on a god damn police station? Seems out of wack to me... thats 20 times what it cost to build the panama canal.

It will cost almost as much as the Burj Dubai mega project which is tallest building on the entire planet and cost 1.5 billion.

What the hell is going on here?

1) Panama canal was build almost 100 years ago... do you have a figure adjusted to todays dollars to justify your comment? Canada spend 1.6billion dollars in WW1, and I don't see how that could be compared to today.

2)It's quite easy when the labour is cheap considering most of the labourers who build the Burj Dubai come from out of country and are basically little more then slave labour.

The price includes 25 years of maintenance amongst other things.

Project agreement

Green Timbers Accommodation Partners has agreed to a fixed price of $966 million to design, build, finance and maintain the facility for a term ending 25 years after construction.

Included in this amount is $263 million for design and construction (including $120 million which will be paid by Canada during the construction phase) and $703 million for project financing, building maintenance, and lifecycle repair and renewal over the term of the agreement. Additionally, Canada will pay $8.9 million in insurance costs over the 25 year period for a total of $975 million.

Green Timbers Accommodation Partners has also agreed to a time schedule that will see the construction of the facility completed by December 23, 2012.

Source:

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/biens-property/nouvelles-news/frpdgrc-rcmpprpfs-eng.html

[dre]

Yes, because creating a whole other unit will save so much money...

Over the long term having our police managed from here instead of by people 1000's of miles away WILL save money, but more importantly it will give us the freedom to ignore some of the horrible policy coming out of Ottawa on crime. These moronic mandatory minimum sentences and such.

[Signals.Cpl]

Over the long term having our police managed from here instead of by people 1000's of miles away WILL save money, but more importantly it will give us the freedom to ignore some of the horrible policy coming out of Ottawa on crime. These moronic mandatory minimum sentences and such.

Yeah, I don't think a new local police force will help you with that. So your Idea is that we maintain the RCMP and BC should create its own provincial police?

[dre]

Yeah, I don't think a new local police force will help you with that. So your Idea is that we maintain the RCMP and BC should create its own provincial police?

Yeah same thing they do in Ontario, Quebec, and Newfoundland. That way when Ottawa writes idiotic laws we can just instruct our police to not enforce them.

Edited June 22, 2012 by dre

[cybercoma]

BTW... how the hell does a government that cant even pay its own employees without borrowing money from folks around the world spend over a billion dollars on a god damn police station? Seems out of wack to me... thats 20 times what it cost to build the panama canal.

It will cost almost as much as the Burj Dubai mega project which is tallest building on the entire planet and cost 1.5 billion.

What the hell is going on here?

You can't really compare the cost of building a police station and all the equipment, security, and everything else that goes into it with a luxury hotel. You need to consider whether it has a detention centre, a helicopter pad, a 911 dispatch centre inside, etc. A billion dollars sounds like a lot to me, but they could be quoting lifecycle costs as they're supposed to.

I hate to be the one defending the Conservatives here, but I think many of you are not thinking this through.

[cybercoma]

you speak only for yourself - not everyone is treated as well by the RCMP

I never said anything about how the RCMP treats people generally. My point was simply that drinking is not illegal nor has it been for quite some time. The issues with the RCMP, especially recently, are well documented. I even made a thread about it some time ago.

[Signals.Cpl]

Yeah same thing they do in Ontario, Quebec, and Newfoundland. That way when Ottawa writes idiotic laws we can just instruct our police to not enforce them.

Do you have a source to support your claim that the RNC, OPP or the SQ do such things?

[dre]

You can't really compare the cost of building a police station and all the equipment, security, and everything else that goes into it with a luxury hotel. You need to consider whether it has a detention centre, a helicopter pad, a 911 dispatch centre inside, etc. A billion dollars sounds like a lot to me, but they could be quoting lifecycle costs as they're supposed to.

I hate to be the one defending the Conservatives here, but I think many of you are not thinking this through.

Still seems fishy to me. The average cost of a police station in the US is 1.3 million dollars. The largest police station in Toronto cost 29 million.

BC cannot even collect enough in taxes to pay its bills without borrowing money.

http://www.gov.ns.ca/finance/site-finance/media/finance/20120222-BCBUD4.jpg

And people are whining that theres no money for college tuition subsidies.

[dre]

Do you have a source to support your claim that the RNC, OPP or the SQ do such things?

No but this kind of thing is common place. Police take their cues from municipalities on which laws to enforce and how to prioritize enforcement.

For example... This local mayor told police not to enforce prostitution laws in certain areas.

A borough mayor said he created a zone in his district where prostitutes work freely and police look the other way.

Real Menard, borough mayor for Mercier-Hochelaga-Maisonneuve, said his goal was to establish the "rules of the game" for prostitutes operating in the area.

The Criminal Code states that it is illegal to solicit a person to have illicit sexual intercourse, as well as to communicate with someone in a public place for the purpose of engaging in prostitution.

However, Menard told QMI Agency in an interview Friday that he has essentially asked police to act as if those laws did not exist in the "zone of tolerance."

In BC the prison system is stretched the breaking point, so we clearly cant start jailing potheads under the idiotic new crime bill. Theres no money to pay for that, and there will be even less after building a police station that costs 25 times as much as the panama cannal and almost as much as the tallest building on earth.

PRoblem is the feds control the RCMP so they overrule us.

[Argus]

Still seems fishy to me. The average cost of a police station in the US is 1.3 million dollars. The largest police station in Toronto cost 29 million.

BC cannot even collect enough in taxes to pay its bills without borrowing money.

http://www.gov.ns.ca/finance/site-finance/media/finance/20120222-BCBUD4.jpg

And people are whining that theres no money for college tuition subsidies.

It's a 76,000 meter facility to hold almost 3,000 cops and equipment. And the actual cost is not a billion. That's the cost of building it as well as maintenance, repairs and upkeep for the next 25 years.

[cybercoma]

Still seems fishy to me. The average cost of a police station in the US is 1.3 million dollars. The largest police station in Toronto cost 29 million.

BC cannot even collect enough in taxes to pay its bills without borrowing money.

http://www.gov.ns.ca/finance/site-finance/media/finance/20120222-BCBUD4.jpg

And people are whining that theres no money for college tuition subsidies.

How much does it cost to build a state-of-the-art FBI facility though? Like I said, I agree that $1 billion sounds like much, but it depends on what they're building.

[cybercoma]

It's a 76,000 meter facility to hold almost 3,000 cops and equipment. And the actual cost is not a billion. That's the cost of building it as well as maintenance, repairs and upkeep for the next 25 years.

So that would be life-cycle costs, right?

I think it would be over a longer period than 25 years too. I can't see them needing a new facility in such a short time.