bleeding heart Posted August 25, 2012 Report Posted August 25, 2012 Where did I lie? Perhaps I should have highlighted your conflicting post in a Multicoloured “quote box”, Waldo said he has no idea whether Assange is guilty of the allegations or not; and that Assange has stated his own innocence. What's conflicting about that? They're both uncontroversial truisms. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
eyeball Posted August 25, 2012 Report Posted August 25, 2012 Interesting theory………Rare that you’ll see someone attempt to refute the dogma associated with both Calvin & Hobbes in one go……….. I wasn't refuting what you were saying, I was predicting what the effect would be when a well known and already widely believed economic theory was used in the application you suggested. And while we're on the subject of economics why spend billions saturating society with CCTV in the hopes it'll make people more honest when a few million would do the trick? And just for the record transparency in the public's domain is not about invading personal privacy, it's about invading official secrecy. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
waldo Posted August 27, 2012 Report Posted August 27, 2012 Waldo said he has no idea whether Assange is guilty of the allegations or not; and that Assange has stated his own innocence. What's conflicting about that? They're both uncontroversial truisms. yes, uncontroversial truisms! Unfortunately, the MLW member chooses to fabricate in the face of those truisms - to some, principle and intellectual honesty means little/nothing. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 I'd rather defend the most powerful entity on earth that promotes freedom and enables a person improving themselves than the other entities out there... "Promotes freedom." Except when they don't. A deviation from their normal behaviour, I suppose....except that the deviations somehow manage to continue apace...morphing into normalcy at...what point, exactly? I mean, it's not as if the freedom enablers topple elected leaders in favour of dictators (nor with Canada's help, incidentally, lords, no); or that they materially aid massive terrorism and mass slaughters. But if you prefer the narrative plagiarized from chidren's tales, have at it. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) The UK has a valid request for extradition. It behaves in exactly the same fashion in all such cases. You mean its refusal to extradite the mass rapist and killer, Pinochet? Please. Edited August 30, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted August 30, 2012 Report Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) And who knows, maybe spending some time in a US federal prison might afford him some more surprise sex, sans the condom of course Well, now that prison rape is deemed so hilarious, any pretence that you consider rape allegations to be serious or worthy of discussion are pretty much out the window, yeah? So....what's the issue then? Edited August 30, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
jbg Posted September 1, 2012 Report Posted September 1, 2012 You dont seem to know what leak media is. Its not generally about hacking. Its about encouraging insiders that already have access to the data to leak it if they think its in the peoples interest to know about it. Wiki leaks just gives them a site where they can anonymously post it. It is encouraging "insiders" to either not do their job or, in extreme cases, commit treason. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted September 1, 2012 Report Posted September 1, 2012 It is encouraging "insiders" to either not do their job or, in extreme cases, commit treason. In ethical cases it provides the whistle that people with something weighing heavily on their consciences can blow. You're right, it is encouraging. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Derek L Posted September 1, 2012 Report Posted September 1, 2012 Well, now that prison rape is deemed so hilarious, any pretence that you consider rape allegations to be serious or worthy of discussion are pretty much out the window, yeah? So....what's the issue then? What I find hilarious is that Mr Assange claims to fear becoming an inmate within a US prison: Mr Assange's new stance Assange told Telesur, a channel seen in Ecuador and neighboring countries, that he thinks it will take six to 12 months for a resolution of his situation, and that he expects the standoff will be solved via diplomacy or through "an unusual world occurrence that we can't predict."He said war with Iran, the outcome of the U.S. election or the "Swedish government dropping the case" could end the impasse. "I think this is the most likely scenario," said Assange. "Maybe after a thorough investigation of what happened [swedish authorities] could drop the case." So, if the Swedes were to drop the case, Mr Assange no longer fears the “long-arm” of the United States once he leaves his current refuge? Quote
dre Posted September 1, 2012 Report Posted September 1, 2012 What I find hilarious is that Mr Assange claims to fear becoming an inmate within a US prison: Mr Assange's new stance So, if the Swedes were to drop the case, Mr Assange no longer fears the “long-arm” of the United States once he leaves his current refuge? Seems more to me like he thinks that this particular ordeal will be over. If he keeps doing what hes doing though he will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
waldo Posted September 1, 2012 Report Posted September 1, 2012 And who knows, maybe spending some time in a US federal prison might afford him some more “surprise sex”, sans the condom of course Well, now that prison rape is deemed so hilarious, any pretense that you consider rape allegations to be serious or worthy of discussion are pretty much out the window, yeah? well ya... the guys a real chucklefest! Why... earlier, he was quite giddy over a likelihood of Assange being "taken out"... by freedom lovers, of course! Oh look... here he is again; he's in another laugh-fest with his, the "long-arm" of the U.S.! So, if the Swedes were to drop the case, Mr Assange no longer fears the “long-arm” of the United States once he leaves his current refuge? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted September 1, 2012 Report Posted September 1, 2012 Seems more to me like he thinks that this particular ordeal will be over. If he keeps doing what hes doing though he will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. So, to clarify the viewpoint, the Swedes are after Assange because of US pressure, and if the Swedes drop the case, clearly this is demonstrating (under this meme) that the United States is no longer pressuring the Swedes, hence, Assange doesn’t have to fear those evil Americans right? Or the Swedes are standing up to those darn Americans, thusly Mr Assange has nothing to fear returning to Sweden to answer questions right? Quote
waldo Posted September 2, 2012 Report Posted September 2, 2012 So, to clarify the viewpoint are you addressing your disjointed, self-serving hypothetical to... an empty chair? Hey now... are you eastwooding this thread? Quote
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