punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 (edited) I would be concerned for the NDP if Ted Hsu was the new Liberal leader. Moreso than Bob Rae. I'm nearly certainly Bob Rae would drive progressive to the NDP in droves. He is probably a better choice but he wont be picked. I assume Rae has the Ontario membership pretty much locked up which kinda kills anyone (especially a no name even if they are as good as Hsu) from getting the nomination. Even if he could split the Ontario vote all that leads to as we have already seen is someone who isn't from Ontario (Dion) getting the nomination. The Liberal leadership race is a complex thing. Edited June 9, 2012 by punked Quote
madmax Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 He's a fighter. That much is certain. No he isn't a fighter. If Bob Rae had been the CCF Premier of Sask in Tommy Douglas Era, Public Medicare would never have seen the light of day in Sask let alone Canada. Tommy Douglas was a fighter. He was a poor kid, knew the value of money, had principles in his upbringing and actually did Box! Bob Rae has a silver spoon and silver tongue. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 No he isn't a fighter. If Bob Rae had been the CCF Premier of Sask in Tommy Douglas Era, Public Medicare would never have seen the light of day in Sask let alone Canada. Tommy Douglas was a fighter. He was a poor kid, knew the value of money, had principles in his upbringing and actually did Box! Bob Rae has a silver spoon and silver tongue. If we're going to compare every politician to one of the Greatest Canadians of all time, then we're going to constantly be disappointed. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 He is probably a better choice but he wont be picked. I assume Rae has the Ontario membership pretty much locked up which kinda kills anyone (especially a no name even if they are as good as Hsu) from getting the nomination. Even if he could split the Ontario vote all that leads to as we have already seen is someone who isn't from Ontario (Dion) getting the nomination. The Liberal leadership race is a complex thing. David McGuinty will have the Ontario Liberal organization behind him. This election will also be one member one vote. Quote
punked Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 David McGuinty will have the Ontario Liberal organization behind him. This election will also be one member one vote. One supporter one vote. I will be interested to see this one play I think it will be more wide open then the NDP race. What that leads to who knows? Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 One supporter one vote. I will be interested to see this one play I think it will be more wide open then the NDP race. What that leads to who knows? The west and rural areas could be big, especially for lesser knowns. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted June 9, 2012 Author Report Posted June 9, 2012 I find it very classy of Bob Rae to agree not to run for the leadership of the Liberal party as the rule was put in place so not to create a pedestal for politicing and gaining unfair publicity, and then jumping in for the leadership regardless.. Very class.. My only question now is,, when will he run for the NDP leadership campaign? Quote
madmax Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 If we're going to compare every politician to one of the Greatest Canadians of all time, then we're going to constantly be disappointed. If Bob Rae was the Premier of BC in 1973 or MAN in 1971 those provinces would not have Public Auto Insurance. It was not me who dare suggested Bob Rae was a fighter. I compared him to a real fighter. Dare I lower the bar..... If you like I can compare Rae to other fighters like Grant Devine or Ujjal Dev Singh Dosanjh or Gary Filmon. But its best to leave Bob Rae to be judged on his record in Ontario..... Quote
madmax Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 My only question now is,, when will he run for the NDP leadership campaign? If he lives long enough, he will run for the Conservatives next. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 I think had Bob Rae become leader in 2006 he likely could have gotten a lot of NDP supporters to vote for him in the 2008 election. I think there are many who would have thought that this was their chance to get a Dipper Prime Minister. That's not the case any longer though, I don't see how Rae could improve the Liberals in the polls. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 9, 2012 Report Posted June 9, 2012 If Bob Rae was the Premier of BC in 1973 or MAN in 1971 those provinces would not have Public Auto Insurance. It was not me who dare suggested Bob Rae was a fighter. I compared him to a real fighter. Dare I lower the bar..... If you like I can compare Rae to other fighters like Grant Devine or Ujjal Dev Singh Dosanjh or Gary Filmon. But its best to leave Bob Rae to be judged on his record in Ontario..... You're simply making up some alternate reality and proclaiming your opinion as a fact about what would have happened. I could just as easily say those things would have happened under him. We simply don't know with your hypothetical situation. It's pretty clear that Bob Rae stands up for what he believes and doesn't back down from opposition. He's not a push-over like some politicians. He's a fighter. Quote
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 Rae is tainted in Ontario. I can just imagine Harper frothing at the mouth just thinking of his attack ad campaign if Rae is announced as the leader. If Rae is leader that means the liberals gave up. Trudeau is still too immature for the job. Give him 10-15 more years and we'll see. Marc Garneau is the best option. Handles himself well. Well spoken. Was Canadas 1st astronaut in space and was in the military right? How will Harper attack Garneau? The guy is clean! The attack ads would not work. This man served our country proud. Attacking him would backfire. Quote
punked Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 Rae is tainted in Ontario. I can just imagine Harper frothing at the mouth just thinking of his attack ad campaign if Rae is announced as the leader. If Rae is leader that means the liberals gave up. Trudeau is still too immature for the job. Give him 10-15 more years and we'll see. Marc Garneau is the best option. Handles himself well. Well spoken. Was Canadas 1st astronaut in space and was in the military right? How will Harper attack Garneau? The guy is clean! The attack ads would not work. This man served our country proud. Attacking him would backfire. He will be like 67 by the next election. Quote
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 He will be like 67 by the next election. What a coincidence! So will Bob Rae Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 ....Marc Garneau is the best option. Handles himself well. Well spoken. Was Canadas 1st astronaut in space and was in the military right? How will Harper attack Garneau? The guy is clean! The attack ads would not work. This man served our country proud. Attacking him would backfire. But he is too close to The Americans...flew on three American STS missions. He is now an American spy. http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/astronauts/biogarneau.asp Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 But he is too close to The Americans...flew on three American STS missions. He is now an American spy. http://www.asc-csa.gc.ca/eng/astronauts/biogarneau.asp If anyone is too close to the Americans it would be Stephen Harper and his government. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 If anyone is too close to the Americans it would be Stephen Harper and his government. PM Harper has spent far less time in the USA than Mr. Garneau or the previous Liberal party leader, Michael Ignatieff (who actually masqueraded as a U.S. citizen). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 PM Harper has spent far less time in the USA than Mr. Garneau or the previous Liberal party leader, Michael Ignatieff (who actually masqueraded as a U.S. citizen). You are right. But Harper is trying to allow FBI, DEA to arrest Canadians on Canadian soil. That is treasonous. So Mr Garneau gets a pass. Quote
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 If anyone is too close to the Americans it would be Stephen Harper and his government. How? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 You are right. But Harper is trying to allow FBI, DEA to arrest Canadians on Canadian soil. That is treasonous. So Mr Garneau gets a pass. Canadian cannibals require such drastic measures. Besides, Garneau is damaged goods (sponsorship scandal and separatists). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 How? Going to the Americans to ask what they want on the copyright bill. This was revealed on wikileaks. Shipriders act (allowing US agents to arrest us on our sovereign water/land Revised version of internet spying bill that gives Americans data on Canadians Allowing the IRS to go after Americans who live in Canada and have not worked in the US or own property in the US ever Need I go on? Quote
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 Canadian cannibals require such drastic measures. Besides, Garneau is damaged goods (sponsorship scandal and separatists). No Mps were found guilty of anything He's a federalist who went up against separatists Quote
Smallc Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 Need I go on? This isn't unique to the Harper government, and has been happening for years. The United States and Canada are intertwined in so many ways. Governments have to live with that reality. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 (edited) No Mps were found guilty of anything He's a federalist who went up against separatists He is a politically tainted...seek true love elsewhere. Edited June 10, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Anti-Am Posted June 10, 2012 Report Posted June 10, 2012 This isn't unique to the Harper government, and has been happening for years. The United States and Canada are intertwined in so many ways. Governments have to live with that reality. Liberals were bad at kissing US ass but these conservatives are worse. You saying otherwise does not make it so and I bet more people agree with me than they do you. Quote
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