Signals.Cpl Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Posted May 27, 2012 A simple google search...?...<sigh>....are you familiar with Dean Wermer and Bluto ? Geebus you love punishment. While a dictionary is nice, matters of legal concern should be accessed through the Criminal Code of Canada, and it clearly spells out the definition of what a life sentence is. Think of it as dictionary of legal terms. I love people getting whats coming to them. I prefer if someone rots in jail for a crime then living next door to me and potentially endangering my family. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
Signals.Cpl Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Posted May 27, 2012 We've cut way back on rehabilitative efforts. Until we give that a really good go, we can't talk about somebody not being rehabilitatable. Some people can't be rehabilitated and should never be let out - most tho can. Some body with 69 convictions - convictions for what, shoplifting. Would you really lock them up for life? Stealing cars, and dangerous driving convictions. does it even matter? If you are convicted 69 times of shoplifting you have shown that you don't have any intention to abide by the laws of the land. Do we have to wait until the guy get 60 violent convictions? Do we have to wait for a death to lock up a menace to society? I don't see why we have to treat criminals like they are the victims. What do you mean by rehabilitation though, university education? Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
eyeball Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 It sounds to me like what you want is similar to the "three strikes youre out" and mandatory minimum sentences that they have in the US, which have been a massive objective failure and bankrupted states and municipalities. Some of them are considering wholesale prisoner releases because theres just no money to pay for it. I'm pretty sure what the really hard-assed law and order types want is the death penalty returned, for the more egregious killers at first, but soon enough they'll be citing economic arguments for using the death penalty after 3 strikes, then 2, then... eventually the police will be serving as judges and executioners. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 "Life sentence" and "life in prison" are two different things. The difference wasn't parsed out pedantically by people trying to win a debate. They have different meanings. We can't help it if many people are unaware of the (real, existing, legal) distinction. And what possible care would anyone in this discussion have that a life sentence doesn't end? How does that prevent anyone from murdering again? How does that adequately protect the public from repeat offenders to the point where people on this thread are using it to counter those who want life in prison? Why even bring it up? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Nobody = ignorant you mean? Yeah Id aagree w that. But then, I never said anything about protecting anyone, merely correcting the OP (and others) that a life sentence in Canada is a life sentence. In other words, you were being pedantic and have essentially nothing to contribute to this discussion. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 I'm pretty sure what the really hard-assed law and order types want is the death penalty returned, for the more egregious killers at first, but soon enough they'll be citing economic arguments for using the death penalty after 3 strikes, then 2, then... eventually the police will be serving as judges and executioners. You live in a strange fantasy world. It's like you're the left wing version of those crazy conspiracy theorists.... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 Locking people up permanently is dangerous to the public as well. For every one person sitting in jail, about 8 people have to work full time and pay taxes, and thats assuming all of what they pay went to that one persons incarceration.[ Yes, the prison system is absurdly inefficient. I'd like to see that change. The best way would be to use the prisoners as a free source of labour and make them work long hours. It sounds to me like what you want is similar to the "three strikes youre out" and mandatory minimum sentences that they have in the US, which have been a massive objective failure and bankrupted states and municipalities. Some of them are considering wholesale prisoner releases because theres just no money to pay for it. There's no money because the majority of Americans believe a 20% income tax rate is far too high. And because they still support putting people in prison for decades for minor drug charges. I'm fine with locking up repeat offenders forever. Maybe not on three strikes, but certainly well before 193. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
guyser Posted May 28, 2012 Report Posted May 28, 2012 In other words, you were being pedantic and have essentially nothing to contribute to this discussion. Educating some ! Call it what you like, but you are smart enough to know that his whole premise, based on either ignorance or planned, is a piss poor starting point for a debate. Pedantic....there was nothing pedantic about it. No obscure fact or trivial points. Quote
eyeball Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 You live in a strange fantasy world. It's like you're the left wing version of those crazy conspiracy theorists.... Is that what it's like, according to your own experience? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bleeding heart Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 And what possible care would anyone in this discussion have that a life sentence doesn't end? How does that prevent anyone from murdering again? How does that adequately protect the public from repeat offenders to the point where people on this thread are using it to counter those who want life in prison? Why even bring it up? I didn't bring it up. I corrected a misunderstanding. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 You live in a strange fantasy world. It's like you're the left wing version of those crazy conspiracy theorists.... Yeah, next he'll be talking about culturally-inferior Muslim immigrants pooping in the streets..... Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
madmax Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 I don't know about you, by I suddenly feel the need to commit a crime in Norway. That sounds better then my last vacation to Cuba, and I paid a ton of money for that. Cuba has harsh prisons. You would like it there. So does Syria, Egypt, Iran. You probably know the Afghan prisons fail to meet Iraq high standards. China also has terrbile prisons. But the US has nice shiney private prisons and the highest incarceration rate in the world. I hear Conrad Black doesn't like them even though he didn't suffer much. Have a nice trip to Norway. And find the imperfect crime, you want to get caught. BTW we won't miss you here... I am sure you will have full internet access with your spa. Quote
madmax Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 Yes, the prison system is absurdly inefficient. I'd like to see that change. The best way would be to use the prisoners as a free source of labour and make them work long hours. Could train them to do your job for free. That would be perfect, then you could find work elsewhere. No more high salaries and pension plans for our civil servants such as you. Abd we can get more hours f work and no holiday distruptions. Quote
Signals.Cpl Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Posted May 29, 2012 Cuba has harsh prisons. You would like it there. So does Syria, Egypt, Iran. You probably know the Afghan prisons fail to meet Iraq high standards. China also has terrbile prisons. How do you know? Did I ever say we should make it brutal? I understand you might have problems understanding this but there is more then 2 ways to treat prisoners, it's not criminals get vacations or criminals get tortured on a daily basis, it could be somewhere in the middle but then again I wouldn't expect YOU to be able to comprehend such a complex issue. But the US has nice shiney private prisons and the highest incarceration rate in the world. I guess you couldn't grasp the subject but here ill try to explain it again: the criminal should get punishment fitting their crime. Get it? Or do you need me to explain it to you in simpler terms? I hear Conrad Black doesn't like them even though he didn't suffer much. Yeah, because he is an average joe right? When you go from having it all to having nothing at all you might not like it either, and it will have nothing to do with the prison itself. Have a nice trip to Norway. And find the imperfect crime, you want to get caught.BTW we won't miss you here... I am sure you will have full internet access with your spa. Oh I have already been punished, and I haven't even committed a crime...reading your bullish*t post was cruel and unusual punishment enough. Quote Hope for the Best, Prepare for the Worst
guyser Posted May 29, 2012 Report Posted May 29, 2012 I guess you couldn't grasp the subject but here ill try to explain it again: the criminal should get punishment fitting their crime. Get it? Or do you need me to explain it to you in simpler terms? Wanna bet madmax knows what a life sentence is in Canada? Quote
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