Should we rework the equalization payments for the provinces?

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And that would fine and dandy if at the time the NS wasn't bumping most school construction projects to deal with a 30 year deficit. They weren't being treated unfair they were being treated like everyone else in that province at the time.

2 out of 3 courts disagreed, including the highest court in the land.

So you think we offer service in French and English even if there are no French speakers left in the country and this you claim is why people don't trust the NDP?

That point will never come. Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, and New Brunswick aren't going anywhere.

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2 out of 3 courts disagreed, including the highest court in the land.

Which is the way the Charter is written. People will not be happy with that if 5% of French sue the country to get their way seriously we have a huge French population and people are already not happy with it.

That point will never come. Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, and New Brunswick aren't going anywhere.

Humor me. You believe if we have no French speakers that we should still offer all services in French?

[Smallc]

Which is the way the Charter is written. People will not be happy with that if 5% of French sue the country to get their way seriously we have a huge French population and people are already not happy with it.

Actually, no, it isn't.

Humor me. You believe if we have no French speakers that we should still offer all services in French?

It's an impossible scenario.

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It's an impossible scenario.

What about 5% in todays global world that is very possible. At 5% should we being offering the French the same services?

[Smallc]

We wouldn't, and don't where that is the case now. You're misinformed.

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We wouldn't, and don't where that is the case now. You're misinformed.

Again in that case the French population in NS was educated in French. They however were also in school with English students and for reason they thought this to be terrible.

In PEI the supreme court ruled that 40 is a sufficient number of students to build a French school. In some places in the country that is just one classroom for an English program. That seems to me 40 students like not enough for even a program but the supreme court said PEI had to build a school. There is only so much money.

Again where is the line? The supreme court says 40 is the line for a school in Summerside or .2% of the total population. That is your line we must offer services if .2% of the population is French?

[Smallc]

Some schools in Manitoba have only 40 students, because sending students elsewhere is not feasible.

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Some schools in Manitoba have only 40 students, because sending students elsewhere is not feasible.

They have a French School in Summerside. PEI said 40 students ment a bus for them to go to French school, the French population said it meant they get a whole new school. The court sided with the French and set a president.

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They have a French School in Summerside. PEI said 40 students ment a bus for them to go to French school, the French population said it meant they get a whole new school. The court sided with the French and set a president.

Do you know English? Or is what you wrote in Canadian?

In English it's not "ment", it's "meant" and the Court set a "precedent", not a "president."

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Do you know English? Or is what you wrote in Canadian?

In English it's not "ment", it's "meant" and the Court set a "precedent", not a "president."

Typing on my phone cut me some slack. Seriously this is what you bring to the conversation? Nothing thanks.

[Smallc]

They have a French School in Summerside. PEI said 40 students ment a bus for them to go to French school, the French population said it meant they get a whole new school. The court sided with the French and set a president.

Yes, they get a school for the French speaking people in a reasonably sized area. The same thing happens across the country in both languages. You're wrong, it's not what you said, and it's not the same thing as making businesses operate in English. Quebec puts out all government communications only in French (except, like the case of schools, where they have to offer English services) and their official language is French. I have no problem with that at all. I don't even have a problem with the signage laws (except in the case of trademarked names, something that they're now going after and shouldn't be. I have a problem with making businesses operate in a language that may hinder their operations. Places like Bombardier and SNC would do much better if they could operate as they see fit.

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Yes, they get a school for the French speaking people in a reasonably sized area. The same thing happens across the country in both languages. You're wrong, it's not what you said, and it's not the same thing as making businesses operate in English. Quebec puts out all government communications only in French (except, like the case of schools, where they have to offer English services) and their official language is French. I have no problem with that at all. I don't even have a problem with the signage laws (except in the case of trademarked names, something that they're now going after and shouldn't be. I have a problem with making businesses operate in a language that may hinder their operations. Places like Bombardier and SNC would do much better if they could operate as they see fit.

Again they have a school in Summerside. The French population on the other side of the city said that their 40 kids should get their own school. PEI said 40 kids is enough for a bus to take them to that French school. Supreme court agreed 40 kids=a school. That was the decision.

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There are obviously some mitigating circumstances that you're leaving out.

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There are obviously some mitigating circumstances that you're leaving out.

Yep how the Supreme court interprets section 23 of the Charter. In their ruling they literally wrote French populations between 49 and 165 students get a school. Which means what? 10 kids get a program? 1 kid gets a Bus to the next province if there is no in your province? Seriously 49 kids get a school and the Supreme court has already ruled services should be offered on a sliding scale. That is a lot of money because educating the students in a school that services both the French and english populations was not enough for our Supreme court. Like I said though that is how Section 23 is written no matter how uninformed you think I am that was the ruling.

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as caustic as ever becuz we disagree Smallc

It's not about disagreeing. You're just wrong. Period. You don't understand the program at all and you keep repeating the same uneducated garbage over and over again.

[Smallc]

Yep how the Supreme court interprets section 23 of the Charter. In their ruling they literally wrote French populations between 49 and 165 students get a school.

Again, since there was already a school, there is obviously a mitigating circumstance here.

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Again, since there was already a school, there is obviously a mitigating circumstance here.

Sure the circumstances were the interpretation of section 23 of the charter. Now the school is suing the province to put in a grade 8 class for 5 kids. Right now the school 1-7 has an enrollment of something like 50 kids. That seems like a waste to me when they could be educated in another school with a first language French teacher.

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[Smallc]

Sure the circumstances were the interpretation of section 23 of the charter.

You're not reading what I'm posting, so, I'm going to stop now.

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You're not reading what I'm posting, so, I'm going to stop now.

I am reading what you are posting you don't like the courts interpretation of Section 23 so you refuse to respond. You are going to like it less and less as the French populations across the country fall but those students get 10 times the amount of money spent on them as other students in the region. Just like in NS where it is 4 to 1 right now French to English spending with a widening gap.

[Smallc]

No, I'm saying I don't know the details of the case. When I looked into the last case you presented, there was far more to it than you were saying. I'm sure that's the case here as well. This is also extremely off topic.

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No, I'm saying I don't know the details of the case. When I looked into the last case you presented, there was far more to it than you were saying. I'm sure that's the case here as well. This is also extremely off topic.

Unless we are willing to fix our national language laws we should not expect Quebec to do the same. Please look into the Summerside French case they felt and won the decision based on their kids should not be in school with English kids because they are scared of assimilation.

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Unless we are willing to fix our national language laws we should not expect Quebec to do the same.

You do realize that Quebec is in this country and has to follow the same laws, right? We're not talking about that. In fact this entire discussion is irrelevant to the topic, and you've been less than forthcoming with all of the details.

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You do realize that Quebec is in this country and has to follow the same laws, right? We're not talking about that. In fact this entire discussion is irrelevant to the topic, and you've been less than forthcoming with all of the details.

Quebec from my understanding according to the Conservatives is its own nation and has an official language French which comes with laws. Again I find it silly you expect them to change their poor language laws while we continue to practice our own.

[Smallc]

Quebec from my understanding according to the Conservatives is its own nation and has an official language French which comes with laws.

Then you don't understand, in much the same way you don't understand the SCoC decisions.

[Bonam]

That point will never come. Preferential treatment is, after all, given to immigrants that speak either official language.

Never is a long time. And about 100-150 of the world's ~7000 languages are becoming extinct every year.