united states' biggest welfare recipient to receive more welfare

[bush_cheney2004]

...the sad truth is that according to the perverted israeli laws and to your acceptance, if i converted to judaism, i would have more claim to land annexed (see stolen) by israel in the west bank than a palestinian arab who has been living there for centuries.

And according to federal / provincial laws, if I converted to Canadianism I am able to buy land without the restrictions in place for foreign ownership. Ditto land purchased for reserve status, even though natives were living there for "centuries".

[bud]

Und

Were one to add up all the funding the USA gives to the Islamic (non democratic nations that in general show they hate the USA) + the cost of the Iraq- (2) invasions, the Afghan war and North Korea bribes and other countries in general, It's nice to see the USA supports a democratic friend that is a line of defense in a sea of Islamic tyranny.

why do you think the dictators in the mid-east have been receiving aid?

egypt received $1.3 billion (and not $2 billion) from u.s. to support israel's blockade and shut its borders to gaza.

As for Bud's claim that Israel has never stood on it's own, that's pretty much what an anti-Semite might claim. Pretty much a lie when one looks at Israel's history, though I doubt he would apologise even though you prove him wrong.

how typical of you, peepee; criticism of israel = anti-semitism.

israel, from before it became a country until now has received financial and political support from the 2 world powers. without their help, israel would not be here. there would be no balfour accord, there would be no veto of resolutions, there would be no $3 billion+ a year of aid, there would be no impunity for war crimes.

israel is a spoiled little child who would not be able to get away with what it's doing without daddy america.

Israel does what Israel needs to do for survival. Sometimes in the extreme and in hind site could have done something different.

buddy. expanding illegal settlements and not allowing a palestinian state to form is NOT survival. it's an aggressive behaviour of a rogue state.

Edited May 15, 2012 by bud

[guyser]

And according to federal / provincial laws, if I converted to Canadianism I am able to buy land without the restrictions in place for foreign ownership

What restrictions?

Virtually none, anywhere in Canada, unless buying more than 10 acres....which almost never happens.

[bush_cheney2004]

What restrictions?

Virtually none, anywhere in Canada, unless buying more than 10 acres....which almost never happens.

Not quite the case...there are different limitations in several provinces based on residency, plot size, total number of plots, maximum shoreline length, etc. And that's fine, the point being that Canada (and the USA) has limitations on foreign land ownership....just like Israel.

[bush_cheney2004]

...israel is a spoiled little child who would not be able to get away with what it's doing without daddy america.

That's right...buddy...and if you want to change that, you're gonna have to go through "america" first...the hard way.

[bud]

That's right...buddy...and if you want to change that, you're gonna have to go through "america" first...the hard way.

bush cheney admits that israel could not stand on its own feet without u.s. why can't you?

[guyser]

Not quite the case...there are different limitations in several provinces based on residency, plot size, total number of plots, maximum shoreline length, etc.

ie...virtually none. Six provinces have no restriction. Some have land more than 10 acres w rules.

[Signals.Cpl]

i thought you were about links.

Comment #37 check it out.

really? 30-60 years? link?

Comment #37

link?

Comment #37

i am stating facts. there are countless documented evidence which show that the zionists took part in a systematic form of ethnic cleansing to make way for greater israel. this is still happening today by way of forced land annexation, home demolitions and illegal government sponsored settlements.

To be fair they were the victims of ethnic cleansing since the Crusades.

your suspicious use of years, without citing is not going to pass. you also cannot claim that a russian jew who was living in russia and was told to migrate to palestine has more claim to a land that he or his parents or grandparents never set foot in, than an arab and his parents and grandparents who had already been living there for centuries.

I was not there in person, couldn't tell you the minute and second...

your biblical claim to land is not going to fly in the face of reality.

Its historical ownership not biblical ownership.

the sad truth is that according to the perverted israeli laws and to your acceptance, if i converted to judaism, i would have more claim to land annexed (see stolen) by israel in the west bank than a palestinian arab who has been living there for centuries.

I don't know about that, but to me the jews have as much if not more right to the land then the Arabs mainly because they were forced out of the area first. The arabs are for all intents and purposes squatters in the Israel. Just because they were at one time stronger and expelled the owners from the land does not give them rights to that land.

[Signals.Cpl]

bush cheney admits that israel could not stand on its own feet without u.s. why can't you?

Neither can Canada, or any other western power. That was clearly shown in 1956 and repeatedly since. When it comes to war most western countries have limited ability to conduct even a limited war and today even England has lost the ability to wage the kind of war in the South Atlantic that they fought in 1982. In a major natural disaster Canada would be heavily dependant on the goodwill of the US since our abilities have been cut down due to decades of budget cuts.

[bush_cheney2004]

ie...virtually none. Six provinces have no restriction. Some have land more than 10 acres w rules.

Nevertheless, such foreign land ownership laws do exist in the remaining provinces, complete with residency rules and exclusions.

[dre]

I don't know about that, but to me the jews have as much if not more right to the land then the Arabs mainly because they were forced out of the area first.

This is silly. By this reasoning all of Canada should be given to the indians. Historical and biblical claims are of little importance. What matters is that theres millions of Jews in Israel that need a place to live. And theres millions of arabs in Palestine that also need a place to live.

Any idea involving the expulsion of either of these groups is flat out retarded.

[bush_cheney2004]

bush cheney admits that israel could not stand on its own feet without u.s. why can't you?

Israel can take care of itself just fine, and even better with support from its US ally. Nothing you say here can change that.

[Signals.Cpl]

This is silly. By this reasoning all of Canada should be given to the indians. Historical and biblical claims are of little importance. What matters is that theres millions of Jews in Israel that need a place to live. And theres millions of arabs in Palestine that also need a place to live.

Any idea involving the expulsion of either of these groups is flat out retarded.

I never said anything about expulsion, to me there are easy solutions but unacceptable to both sides. Both groups are at this moment well established that moving one or the other in great numbers would be nearly impossible. If the arabs drop the insane desire to destroy Israel I believe they would be more receptive of a deal acceptable to both sides. What happened 60 years ago is at this point irrelevant as the arabs did the same thing a few hundred years prior...

Using the excuse that Israel did something 60 years ago and thats why Arabs are pissed while ignoring what Arabs did 120 years ago is not exactly balanced.

[punked]

I never said anything about expulsion, to me there are easy solutions but unacceptable to both sides. Both groups are at this moment well established that moving one or the other in great numbers would be nearly impossible. If the arabs drop the insane desire to destroy Israel I believe they would be more receptive of a deal acceptable to both sides. What happened 60 years ago is at this point irrelevant as the arabs did the same thing a few hundred years prior...

Using the excuse that Israel did something 60 years ago and thats why Arabs are pissed while ignoring what Arabs did 120 years ago is not exactly balanced.

I have no idea what you are talking about. want to tell me a little about what happened 120 years ago?

Edited May 16, 2012 by punked

[Signals.Cpl]

I have no idea what you are talking about. want to tell me a little about what happened 120 years ago?

http://www.mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/co/palestine.htm

Im not going to spoon feed you. If you don't want to read thats fine by me.

[bud]

Comment #37 check it out.

Comment #37

Comment #37

show me where in your link, the muslims ethnically cleansed the jews from palestine. show me where the ottoman empire ethnically cleansed the jews from palestine.

why are you making shit up?

I don't know about that, but to me the jews have as much if not more right to the land then the Arabs mainly because they were forced out of the area first.

who was forced out? russian jews were forced out of palestine?

The arabs are for all intents and purposes squatters in the Israel. Just because they were at one time stronger and expelled the owners from the land does not give them rights to that land.

what? why are you making shit up? again, show me how the arabs expelled the jews.

if i convert to judaism, i would have more rights to land in israel and occupied territories in palestine than an arab would.

this is what you try to defend.

[bud]

the ethnic cleansing of palestinians:

Edited May 16, 2012 by bud

[Signals.Cpl]

the ethnic cleansing of palestinians:

Oh and read this.

http://zionism-israel.com/his/Palestine_Nakba.htm

[Signals.Cpl]

show me where in your link, the muslims ethnically cleansed the jews from palestine. show me where the ottoman empire ethnically cleansed the jews from palestine.

why are you making shit up?

who was forced out? russian jews were forced out of palestine?

what? why are you making shit up? again, show me how the arabs expelled the jews.

if i convert to judaism, i would have more rights to land in israel and occupied territories in palestine than an arab would.

this is what you try to defend.

Seems to me you are advocating genocide against the Jews in Israel.

[bud]

Seems to me you are advocating genocide against the Jews in Israel.

then you must be semi-literate. i advocate justice and rights for all humans.

oh and just as i thought, you cannot defend the lies you have written about muslims expelling jews and the imaginary citation in the link you provided.

give international law, the geneva convention and honesty a chance.

Edited May 16, 2012 by bud

[Signals.Cpl]

then you must be semi-literate.

i advocate justice and rights for all humans.

give international law and the geneva convention a chance.

By saying that the US and all western nations should abandon Israel to the Arabs who have vowed to destroy Israel? What are you trying to accomplish? If yours was the only vote that counted and you voted against assisting Israel what do you think would happen? US stops support and the arabs start passing around the peace pipe? You don't seem to know or care what the consequences are if the west does not help Israel.

Tell me what are your goals in this thread? Vent about the big bad jew? How we are wasting our money in the west supporting them?

[Signals.Cpl]

give international law, the geneva convention and honesty a chance.

Yeah because killing civilians through suicide bombing sure makes the Arabs the cuddly bunch.

Edited May 16, 2012 by Signals.Cpl

[Signals.Cpl]

then you must be semi-literate. i advocate justice and rights for all humans.

Just not when it comes to the jews right?

[dre]

I never said anything about expulsion, to me there are easy solutions but unacceptable to both sides. Both groups are at this moment well established that moving one or the other in great numbers would be nearly impossible. If the arabs drop the insane desire to destroy Israel I believe they would be more receptive of a deal acceptable to both sides. What happened 60 years ago is at this point irrelevant as the arabs did the same thing a few hundred years prior...

Using the excuse that Israel did something 60 years ago and thats why Arabs are pissed while ignoring what Arabs did 120 years ago is not exactly balanced.

Thats not the real problem. The real problem is that Israel cant disengage. They depend on the occupied territories for nearly 2/3's of their drinking water. They cant keep their gigantic network of wells, pumping stations, and pipelines safe without a military presense there and settlements around key water resources. If they could they would have withdrawn decades ago. And this is just getting worse because the region is getting even drier and water levels in lake Tiberius (Sea of Galilea) are receding.

Thats why Israelies refer to the conflict as "HaMilhama al HaMaim" or "המלחמה על המים" which translated means "war over water".

This is a garden variety dispute over resources, and its not going to end its going to escalate, and spread.

[bud]

this is not a democracy. not according to two jewish israeli professors, a jewish woman and an israeli soldier who participated in the expelling and murdering palestinians.