punked Posted April 25, 2012 Report Posted April 25, 2012 If you look at the annual harbor report, it does detailed analysis between union and non union shops in the auto industry. It backs up what you are saying as well. Theres very little difference in productivity between union and non union shops, and some of the most productive auto plants are unionized. The other thing is when you compare all Unionized wages and benefits vs. Non unionized these work to about the same amount. this is because the higher up the ladder you go the more the Non unionized workers earn compared to their unionized counter parts. Quote
madmax Posted April 25, 2012 Report Posted April 25, 2012 Point is he writes a rant about government and politicians, some of which I agree with, and then finishes it up by adding in 'unions' and a long piece from an anti-union outfit about how much people really must hate unions. Checking the alignment of the planets... seems I agree with you on 3 points in this thread... Quote
jacee Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 Given the news on Bev Oda lately, I wouldn't say it's the socialists that believe government funds come from heaven. Quote
bleeding heart Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Anyone who claims that the non-union, private workforce is inherently "efficient" and "merit-based" has not spent his or her lifetime working in non-unionized private industry. It's incredible to me that people think Theory poached from the oversimplisic pages of introductory texts in the "dismal science" actually trumps objective reality itself. And then gets angry and defensive about this!...but then, I guess that's part of what Fundamentalism is. Edited April 26, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Fletch 27 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 Incorrect on your Incorrect.. The Ontario Jockey Club informed a young family member just 2 years ago that if she did not join, she will not work there. Unions are above the law and only care about union dues. Lets try real-life experiences here... as opposed to simply stating "Incorrect" in some high and mighty union way.. Sickening Incorrect... No one is obliged to join a union as a condition of employment.As a union steward you should have been knowledgable about the labour laws in Ontario... Look up "Agency Shop" because that's what we work under in this province... Your mischaracterization of the legal situation re. union membership is,indeed,hamfisted...I'd also add poorly informed... Quote
madmax Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 Incorrect on your Incorrect.. The Ontario Jockey Club informed a young family member just 2 years ago that if she did not join, she will not work there. Unions are above the law and only care about union dues. Lets try real-life experiences here... as opposed to simply stating "Incorrect" in some high and mighty union way.. Sickening Off topic.. Fletch27... just seen you posting as of today.. Welcome to Maple Leaf Web... Quote
Fletch 27 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 Really? You should visit any JAMA (Japanese Automotive Manufacturer Ass) facility and count output there and quality (SCARS,PPM on fail etc.etc). ANY JAMA partner will almost its unionized competitor.. Please visit JAMA.ca for a nice comparrison If you look at the annual harbor report, it does detailed analysis between union and non union shops in the auto industry. It backs up what you are saying as well. Theres very little difference in productivity between union and non union shops, and some of the most productive auto plants are unionized. Quote
madmax Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Incorrect on your Incorrect.. The Ontario Jockey Club informed a young family member just 2 years ago that if she did not join, she will not work there. Good Pay? Benefits? Pension? Unions are above the law Erm.. no. Lets try real-life experiences here... as opposed to simply stating "Incorrect" in some high and mighty union way.. Sickening Sounds like a hard life ... a young person has to work in an environment with some recourse, all because of a union.. I like this real life story. Employee donates kidney to Boss... and is fired for not being at work after 9 weeks off... Ok... try a real life experience as a temp agency worker... hand over 50% of your pay to be pimped. Edited April 26, 2012 by madmax Quote
Jack Weber Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Incorrect on your Incorrect.. The Ontario Jockey Club informed a young family member just 2 years ago that if she did not join, she will not work there. Unions are above the law and only care about union dues. Lets try real-life experiences here... as opposed to simply stating "Incorrect" in some high and mighty union way.. Sickening You got it,chief...I've related this story before... I was a steward at a certain employer that will remain nameless...We has two fellows get hired and went through their probation period.They then informed the union executive that they didn't want to belong to the union on personal grounds.We said fine but it would happen under the explicit understanding that in doing so they would be declining representation...They would still have to pay the dues,but they could direct their dues to a charity of thier choice and receive the tax deduction for it. They readily agreed to this and had their dues directed to their church... That's it... It's called "Agency Shop"...It's what we work under in this province...It should be noted that,although they didn't pay dues to the union,they still got all the bargained wage increases and benefit plan stuff they never paid for...They simply were not represented by the union... Now,did your friend think that he/she should simply be a "free ride" employee that got the benefits of union membership but didn't have to pay for it?? The rest of your statements are nothing more than the standard free market cluelessness and drivel I've heared from across the bargaining table many times before... Cry your tears of derision to the Kevin O'Leary types... Edited April 26, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted April 26, 2012 Report Posted April 26, 2012 Good Pay? Benefits? Pension? Erm.. no. Sounds like a hard life ... a young person has to work in an environment with some recourse, all because of a union.. I like this real life story. Employee donates kidney to Boss... and is fired for not being at work after 9 weeks off... Ok... try a real life experience as a temp agency worker... hand over 50% of your pay to be pimped. Spot on... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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