TheNewTeddy Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 Harper was never Reform leader... And Reform swept the province As did Harper's Conservatives... ...not sure what you are on about Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
madmax Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Posted April 24, 2012 wyly... is in the house! Hydraboss. Oh, Hydrabosssssssssssss....... LOL Quote
madmax Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Posted April 24, 2012 Traveller is apparently the smartest guy in the room! Yeah, I am pretty impressed with his call. Quote
cybercoma Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 @bcheadle: So after weeks of fawning Wildrose press, can we finally drop trope that left-wing MSM undermines conservatism at polls? No, I thought not. The liberal media! Quote
Boges Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 I think this result shows how dangerous polls can be. Basically Albertans were being told who they support by pollsters. Now they clearly didn't fall for it, but I'm tired of polls leading the narrative in elections to the point were people call the election before its even happened. I heard a pollster this morning justify this by saying Albertans clearly changed their mind in the polling booth. Quote
wyly Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 thanks to call display many people refuse to pick up the phone multiple calls daily from political parties and pollsters...plus pollsters don't reach that segment that normally doesn't vote much, the youth, these people don't answer the phone from unknown callers, they txt, social media was on fire in the last week with outrage at the wildrose...the wildrose touched on a few issues that rile that motivate that segment, racial intolerance, gay rights, and to some extent climate change...only a small portion of this demographic needs to be motivated to sway an election result... even among older traditional conservative voters I was surprised to hear many were frightened of wildrose social idiocy and threats to healthcare...don't *uck with healthcare...calgary maybe fiscally conservative but it's socially moderate... the wildrose maybe be the best thing that ever happened in alberta, it split of the intolerant right wing freaks off the conservative party making the conservatives more palatable to progressives from liberals and ndp, I personally know of 5 faithful ndp and green voters who voted PC for the first time in their lives... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) PC majority, still, though not so easy. Today, for the first time, the Edmonton Journal is dominated by an examination of Wildrose policy and the stated position of some candidates. Smith is trying hard to distance herself from all of it, but she will fail. Even Graham Thompson, a renowned long time Tory hatwer and baiter columnist, is talking about stategiic voting. What will happen between now and election day is a whoole lot of sucking it up and a commitment to strategic voting by hte left and center in AB. The choices of their voting their traditional NDP/Liberal, and watching Wildrose win with a ratsnest of homophobic misogynists vs holding their noses and votiing PC will carry the day for the PCs. Redford is still far more palatable than Smith to the center and left, and that will be enough. The last few days have been filled with contorversy for Smith about the rank homophobia of one oof her boys, and her refusal to associate the candidate with the Party. Today, she has some front page musings about cllimate change denial. The sheep look up. A whole lot of folks are about to get engaged. you nailed it...the sheep woke up... Edited April 24, 2012 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
BornAlbertan Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 The only disappointment I have over last nights election is the PCs have not been taught the lesson that after 41 years of going unchecked severely needed. While I am not surprised the PCs won, I am surprised and disheartened that they were given another majority mandate like everything is AOK. I did not want a majority by anybody in this election....but I seriously wanted a minority to see how well the PCs can work with other parties rather than just thrusting whatever they want down the throats of all Albertans. I get it though. Albertans are still people. We are uneasy with change and are more comfortable with the devil we know and will even begrudgingly embrace them out of fear of change. I am a card carrying PC...but I voted Wildrose to send a message Quote
fellowtraveller Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 The only disappointment I have over last nights election is the PCs have not been taught the lesson that after 41 years of going unchecked severely needed. While I am not surprised the PCs won, I am surprised and disheartened that they were given another majority mandate like everything is AOK. I did not want a majority by anybody in this election....but I seriously wanted a minority to see how well the PCs can work with other parties rather than just thrusting whatever they want down the throats of all Albertans. I get it though. Albertans are still people. We are uneasy with change and are more comfortable with the devil we know and will even begrudgingly embrace them out of fear of change. I am a card carrying PC...but I voted Wildrose to send a message and... yet another complete misread of what happened in the last two years in Alberta politics. There has been a wholesale change, confirmed last night , again. About the only thing remaining of the PC party of Klein is the name. I wouldn't expect the dumb fucks at the Globe and Mail to notice the seismic shift while it was happening, but they could at least notice now. Quote The government should do something.
wyly Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 The only disappointment I have over last nights election is the PCs have not been taught the lesson that after 41 years of going unchecked severely needed. While I am not surprised the PCs won, I am surprised and disheartened that they were given another majority mandate like everything is AOK. I did not want a majority by anybody in this election....but I seriously wanted a minority to see how well the PCs can work with other parties rather than just thrusting whatever they want down the throats of all Albertans. I get it though. Albertans are still people. We are uneasy with change and are more comfortable with the devil we know and will even begrudgingly embrace them out of fear of change. I am a card carrying PC...but I voted Wildrose to send a message I wanted a minority as well but the fear of wildrose drove me and thousands of other progressives to the PCs...voters(myself as well) hate fiscal corruption such as the no meet committee but they hate/fear social corruption even more...that the wildrose leadership approves of intolerance among it's candidates is not acceptable... no matter how much Smith separated herself from those candidates that she tolerated their opinions is what was intolerable, with that philosophy at work Robert Mugabe, david duke or Slobodan Milosevic could find a home as an MLA's in a wildrose government...Smith's biggest error of the campaign was not ejecting both candidates at the first opportunity instead she supported the candidates right to freedom of opinion regardless how unacceptable those opinions may be, some opinions are never be acceptable...then her own "the science isn't settled" comments in regards to Climate Change sealed her fate, she had engaged a part of the voting demographic that doesn't vote, the youth...no single gaff from the wildrose turned the tide but a few big ones and a number of little issues pushed the hot buttons with many people...many riding's were decided by only a few hundred votes, strategic voting by progressives and the youth vote was all it took to reverse early opinion poll results.. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
cybercoma Posted April 24, 2012 Report Posted April 24, 2012 I think this result shows how dangerous polls can be. Basically Albertans were being told who they support by pollsters. Now they clearly didn't fall for it, but I'm tired of polls leading the narrative in elections to the point were people call the election before its even happened. I heard a pollster this morning justify this by saying Albertans clearly changed their mind in the polling booth. The polls just suffer from selection bias. They still dial landlines to contact people, as cell phone numbers are not listed. They're only getting a particular segment of society that still keeps landlines, which is getting smaller and smaller. Sometimes they'll supplement this with internet polling; however, this has its own built in biases (not everyone has the internet, uses it regularly, or chooses to take part in polls conducted online). The shortcomings of the pollsters is methodological, imho. Quote
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