punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 And your communist biases aren't? I guess Dion is a separatist to then. By your definition he is I guess. I guess you are the new Separatist McCarthy right? Lets hang them all. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 By your definition he is I guess. I guess you are the new Separatist McCarthy right? Lets hang them all. Hopefully the next time there is a vote Dion, Trudeau and Turmel will be out rallying the troops so Quebec leaves! Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Hopefully the next time there is a vote Dion, Trudeau and Turmel will be out rallying the troops so Quebec leaves! There is the spirit now you sound like a real Liberal stir the pot enough that your party is the only that is able to save Quebec for Canada. Most of us inside and outside of Quebec have gotten wise to these wedge games played by the Liberals and BQ long enough. It is time to let Quebec in and in return Quebec will be a willing member of Confederation. The NDP knows the score. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 There is the spirit now you sound like a real Liberal stir the pot enough that your party is the only that is able to save Quebec for Canada. Most of us inside and outside of Quebec have gotten wise to these wedge games played by the Liberals and BQ long enough. It is time to let Quebec in and in return Quebec will be a willing member of Confederation. The NDP knows the score. I don't want Quebec saved I want them gone. Quote
bleeding heart Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) I don't want Quebec saved I want them gone. I think a lot of Canadians would say this. In weak moments of childish pettiness. But at bottom, I believe most Canadians would prefer they stay, because they're awesome, and so are the rest of us. Edited March 31, 2012 by bleeding heart Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) If you want Separatism to go from a dying movement no one cares about back to the 1980-1990s hay day for the movement this is a great way to do it. Let it die Jack. Just stop. Keep blathering NDP platitudes... Your the hack for a party that wants to pander to seperatist scum in a vain,and ultimately failed (historically),attempt to appease traitors in the hope that they will just "like as a little bit"... Time for you to grow up,kiddo...And tough up a little,too... For your education about history,this is how you deal with seperatist scum... No quarter given to traitors... Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Most Liberals are, they kept it going for a long time so they could keep winning seats in Quebec. That is the difference between Liberals and NDPers, Liberals love the separatist movement and we don't. we want one Canada united. By giving in to seperatist scum in an attempt to sweep it under the rug... Your NDP idealism and childlike naivite is amusing.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Hopefully the next time there is a vote on separatism in Quebec they will finally leave. Wrong approach... That land is ours... 1.They declare Quebec is an independent country 2.We invoke The War Measures Act 3.This time we round up every card carrying seperatist in that province and put 'em behind bars and their citzenship and possports confiscated! 4.Announce (at the UN perhaps) that any of these traitors are available to be taken as citizens of any French speaking nation on this planet... 5.At the same time,the rest of this country is asked to donate a little bit of money for...LIFEJACKETS(because we're not completely heartless...You'll see why in a moment) 6.Hopefully,within a few weeks,the scum will be taken by other French speaking nations...France...The DRC (who really cares,frankly) 7.Those that are left over will marched at gunpoint from say...Montreal...To Percé Rock...(with a little detour ,so we can march them across the Plains of Abraham,to make the unmistakeable historical point that they lost and are the remnants of a defeated people!)...Where the lifejackets will be issued. 8.Forced at gunpoint into the Gulf of St.Lawrence and made to swim to France/St.Pierre and Miquelon/a fishing trawler...Doesn't really matter... ..Oh I forgot...Once these folks are in jail,there property will be sold off at rock bottom prices so a permanent gentrification process can start... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Keep blathering NDP platitudes... Your the hack for a party that wants to pander to seperatist scum in a vain,and ultimately failed (historically),attempt to appease traitors in the hope that they will just "like as a little bit"... Time for you to grow up,kiddo...And tough up a little,too... For your education about history,this is how you deal with seperatist scum... No quarter given to traitors... Yah everyone remembers in the 1970s when the PM declared Martial law. Again old fights, I bet you are scared of the IRA and ETA as well, watch out or the Soviets will get you. You can wage dead wars from generations past all you want while we move on and start the real healing process. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Wrong approach... That land is ours... 1.They declare Quebec is an independent country 2.We invoke The War Measures Act Let me stop you right there. You might not know this, but you can't invoke the war measures act anymore. I have noticed you are fighting the fights of the 1980s still but the laws have changed. The war measures act doesn't exist anymore Jack it is time for you to come to 2012 the year the rest of Canada is living in. Edited March 31, 2012 by punked Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Yah everyone remembers in the 1980s when the PM declared Martial law. Again old fights, I bet you are scared of the IRA and ETA as well, watch out or the Soviets will get you. You can wage dead wars from generations past all you want while we move on and start the real healing process. IRA...ETA...The Soviets??? Me afraid?? Not really... Interesting you bring up the IRA...Without Trudeau's strong and forceful action (in 1970,by the way)many think Quebec could have ended up alot like Northern Ireland,in terms of violence.The FLQ was becoming increasingly emboldened,and more violent, in their actions... Thank God Pierre Trudeau had the guts to correctly lay down the law on that scum... And you keep falsely claiming your,and the NDP, are moving on...The Sherbrooke Declaration being the centrepiece of this "progressive" activity... But it's not...As stated before,the spectacular document you claim is the way forward is simply a rehash of Mulroney's doctrine of appeasement.It was wrong then,it's wrong now.This battle is'nt new and neither are your party's methods.They are the same failed ones just with NDP orange splattered all over them...And that isn't going to the magic elixer to fix things... Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Let me stop you right there. You might not know this, but you can't invoke the war measures act anymore. I have noticed you are fighting the fights of the 1980s still but the laws have changed. The war measures act doesn't exist anymore Jack it is time for you to come to 2012 the year the rest of Canada is living in. So how does this work exactly... Ya 'know....The NDP's plan on sitting down with seperatists in Quebec and discussing how we are going to break up the country...er...I'm sorry...The new and "progressive" way forward in relations with seperatists in Quebec we should'nt offend? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 IRA...ETA...The Soviets??? Me afraid?? Not really... Interesting you bring up the IRA...Without Trudeau's strong and forceful action (in 1970,by the way)Many think Quebec qould have ended up alot like Northern Ireland,in terms of violence.The FLQ was becoming increasingly emboldened,and more violent, in their actions... Thank God Pierre Trudeau had the guts to correctly lay down the law on that scum... And you keep falsely claiming your,and the NDP, are moving on...The Sherbrooke Declaration being the centrepiece of this "progressive" activity... But it's not...As stated before,the spectacular document you claim is the way forward is simply a rehash of Mulroney's doctrine of appeasement.It was wrong then,it's wrong now.This battle is'nt new and neither are your party's methods.They are the same failed ones just with NDP orange splattered all over them...And that isn't going to the magic elixer to fix things... Again you are fighting old dead wars with old dead tactics. Quebec wants in so lets them in, telling them "If you so much as think about independence we are to take away your rights" isn't a way to continue healing it is a way to jump start a dying movement. You are looking for revenge not healing. That is quite clear from you posts. No one that actually wants Separatism dead would listen to you. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Again you are fighting old dead wars with old dead tactics. Quebec wants in so lets them in, telling them "If you so much as think about independence we are to take away your rights" isn't a way to continue healing it is a way to jump start a dying movement. You are looking for revenge not healing. That is quite clear from you posts. No one that actually wants Separatism dead would listen to you. Fair enough... How would we "let them in" and appease seperatists?? Could you elucidate this for me please? And be specific... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Why can't we just vote Quebec out? Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
punked Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Fair enough... How would we "let them in" and appease seperatists?? Could you elucidate this for me please? And be specific... How about we do the same thing they are doing in Spain and Ireland? We treat them as equal to all the provinces we listen to what they say and have real debates with them, and we let those of older generation who want to keep these wars going die? How does that sound for a start, seems to be working to me. Instead of telling them they are not allowed to different political opinions, they are not allowed to speak about how they have a different culture, or how they can't do this or that. Quote
stopstaaron Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Im starting the Angry Birds party Quote Don't ban me bro. Oh behave, I'll behave. I'll be a good little boy.
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) How about we do the same thing they are doing in Spain and Ireland? We treat them as equal to all the provinces we listen to what they say and have real debates with them, and we let those of older generation who want to keep these wars going die? How does that sound for a start, seems to be working to me. Instead of telling them they are not allowed to different political opinions, they are not allowed to speak about how they have a different culture, or how they can't do this or that. Cool!!! What are we going to debate with seperatists??? And who says we can't,or don't acknowledge they don't have a different and distinct culture? And could please be a little more specific instead of being nebular and full of pie in the sky platitudes? Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Cool!!! What are we going to debate with seperatists??? Its not the 60s and 70s anymore. Separatism is out.... I doubt even the PQ will have the stomach to start a referendum ... Duceppe did his hail mary with the Separatism card and blew it bigtime. Its a lesson learned ... The is no interest in Quebec... And you keep bringing up Terrorism vs a Political Party. Trudeau went after the terrorists.. He allowed the Separtists to govern when they were elected. There have been two votes.. both not able to meet the 50% threshold. And now there isn't any interest in it, the separtists are old and tired.... the only ones who need this phoney war are Liberals and Bloc.. The Conservatives need the NDP in Quebec so they can have a new whipping boy... Edited March 31, 2012 by madmax Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Its not the 60s and 70s anymore. Separatism is out.... I doubt even the PQ will have the stomach to start a referendum ... Duceppe did his hail mary with the Separatism card and blew it bigtime. Its a lesson learned ... The is no interest in Quebec... And you keep bringing up Terrorism vs a Political Party. Trudeau went after the terrorists.. He allowed the Separtists to govern when they were elected. There have been two votes.. both not able to meet the 50% threshold. And now there isn't any interest in it, the separtists are old and tired.... the only ones who need this phoney war are Liberals and Bloc.. The Conservatives need the NDP in Quebec so they can have a new whipping boy... Cool!!! So what are you folks proposing gets put on the table to allow Quebec to sign on to the Constitution? Please,be specific... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Cool!!! So what are you folks proposing gets put on the table to allow Quebec to sign on to the Constitution? Please,be specific... Last I checked.. the Succession of Liberal Provincial Governments including those led by the Former Leader of the Federal Progressive Conservative Party... Haven't lead the charge to sign on the dotted line... next question please... Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) Last I checked.. the Succession of Liberal Provincial Governments including those led by the Former Leader of the Federal Progressive Conservative Party... Haven't lead the charge to sign on the dotted line... next question please... Great... What are you folks proposing??? Please,as always,be specific... Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Cool!!! So what are you folks proposing gets put on the table to allow Quebec to sign on to the Constitution? Please,be specific... btw.. I am just a poster on MLW... like yourself.. So when you suggest U folks... I speak for myself , just like in other threads where I see U and I are on a similar page.. I still post as me... Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) btw.. I am just a poster on MLW... like yourself.. So when you suggest U folks... I speak for myself , just like in other threads where I see U and I are on a similar page.. I still post as me... Fair enough... But you are...Shall we say...Somewhat predisposed to being an NDP supporter,aren't you? Which is what I meant by "you folks".... Edited March 31, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
madmax Posted March 31, 2012 Report Posted March 31, 2012 Great... What are you folks proposing??? Please,as always,be specific... me... what do u want me to propose... lmao.. Perhaps there needs to be Provincial NDP in Quebec. As far as I know none of the Parties from the ADQ , the PQ or the Libs let alone all the other minor parties don't campaign on signing the constitution.. infact.. I don't know anyone in the mood for constitutional talks of anykind anglophone or Francophone.. Quote
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