Tory MP tells high schoolers they should carry guns

[cybercoma]

Ok? I'm not sure what the current licensing has to do with your utopian Canada where everyone has a concealed carry and kids get to bring guns to school.

[Guest Derek L]

Ok? I'm not sure what the current licensing has to do with your utopian Canada where everyone has a concealed carry and kids get to bring guns to school.

Where did I say that? Are you suggesting that I didn’t call for an expansion of the current laws?

[Guest Manny]

Can you demonstrate the text in which that’s the stated policy of the MP?

Certainly. "Tory MP tells high schoolers they should carry guns".

Any more questions, feel free to ask!

[Guest Derek L]

Certainly. "Tory MP tells high schoolers they should carry guns".

Any more questions, feel free to ask!

Where did he state that high school students should carry guns? The current laws don’t allow for high school students to acquire firearms, are you suggesting the MP is calling on changing said laws?

[cybercoma]

Where did he state that high school students should carry guns? The current laws don’t allow for high school students to acquire firearms, are you suggesting the MP is calling on changing said laws?

That's exactly what he was probably doing. He was making a value judgment, saying this is the way it should be (ie, young girls carrying firearms to protect against rape).

[Guest Derek L]

That's exactly what he was probably doing. He was making a value judgment, saying this is the way it should be (ie, young girls carrying firearms to protect against rape).

Where did he, “probably“, suggest that? I’d love to see the text.

[Guest Manny]

The current laws don’t allow for high school students to acquire firearms, are you suggesting the MP is calling on changing said laws?

Yes, if he said “it should be much easier for Canadians to attain and own a firearm because it is their duty and their right to engage in gun violence.”, that's what it would mean.

[Guest Derek L]

Yes, if he said “it should be much easier for Canadians to attain and own a firearm because it is their duty and their right to engage in gun violence.”, that's what it would mean.

Citation?

[cybercoma]

So, we're basing this lynching on "probably", at least now we're being truthful about speculation and lack of facts.

Lynching? Really?

People are being critical of the commments that a politician made to students. That's hardly a lynching.

[cybercoma]

Regardless of what the actual words were out of his mouth that was the message the students took away from his talk.

[GostHacked]

And perhaps that's your parental right, within the law, of course.

And perhaps Breitkreuz has the right to talk to PARENTS about arming their children.

However, no adult has the right to talk to other people's kids about arming themselves.

The issue isn't gun control (or lack of): The issue is violation of parental rights.

Then you should be mad at the other things schools are doing that violate parental rights.

[Guest Manny]

I'm surprised the school even allowed a Conservative MP on the school grounds.

And it was not a good idea, evidently.

[Guest Manny]

I need provide no such thing, unless you can provide evidence for your position?

The bad idea "evidently" is that he doesn't know how to properly communicate with school kids, such that he can walk out of there without making disparaging news headlines. That alone proves it was a bad idea.

[stopstaaron]

7 dead in a shooting at a Christian university in Cali I think

Guns are too abundant & loosely regulated in the US

[Guest Derek L]

7 dead in a shooting at a Christian university in Cali I think

Guns are too abundant & loosely regulated in the US

Or, if a student or staff member in the classroom had a concealed carry permit(difficult to obtain in California) and a handgun on their person, this tragedy could have been significantly reduced.

[stopstaaron]

Or, if a student or staff member in the classroom had a concealed carry permit(difficult to obtain in California) and a handgun on their person, this tragedy could have been significantly reduced.

unlikely

[Guest Derek L]

unlikely

Why is that? Why would you assume that staff or students didn’t intervene with the gunman, with say, a baseball bat?

[stopstaaron]

Why is that? Why would you assume that staff or students didn’t intervene with the gunman, with say, a baseball bat?

Because most people are not trained to handle firearms during intense life/death situations.

There are many factors at play here. As for staff carrying weapons that is too dangerous. What if the gun was stolen or taken off them?

and then used to shoot someone on school ground?

[g_bambino]

Or, if a student or staff member in the classroom had a concealed... handgun on their person, this tragedy could have been significantly reduced.

But if every student carried a weapon, the incidents of one or two person shootings would increase.

[Guest Manny]

Evidently, the disparaging headline was based off a letter written by a parent, not by his actions.

They were caused by his actions, since he spoke for some time about guns. Evidently, based on his denial the minister was not very clear in his intentions, and confused the students. Evidently, this has caused a PR problem for the minister.

Evidently, the minister needs to be schooled on speaking in front of groups, without a teleprompter or a tether.

[Guest Derek L]

Because most people are not trained to handle firearms during intense life/death situations.

Most people aren’t trained? Concealed Carry permits are issued, depending on the State, either through the State Police or county Sherriff’s department, and again, depending on the State, there’s a prerequisite safety course required.

With that said, in a situation such as this recent school shooting, clearly if “someone” had the ability to “fight back”, the results would have been marginally better than the open slaughter of unarmed staff and students.

So what of your trusty bat?

[Guest Derek L]

But if every student carried a weapon, the incidents of one or two person shootings would increase.

How so?

[stopstaaron]

Most people aren’t trained? Concealed Carry permits are issued, depending on the State, either through the State Police or county Sherriff’s department, and again, depending on the State, there’s a prerequisite safety course required.

With that said, in a situation such as this recent school shooting, clearly if “someone” had the ability to “fight back”, the results would have been marginally better than the open slaughter of unarmed staff and students.

So what of your trusty bat?

Most people aren't trained for these situations

[Guest Derek L]

Most people aren't trained for these situations

Are most people trained to be shot at and have no way to defend themselves?

[Guest Manny]

So, let me get this straight...his denying allegations made by an individual who wasn't even present during this discussion in which he apparently told kids they should arm themselves and bring guns to school is proof that he made these comments? I'm having a difficult time trying to follow your logic.

Since he denies it and we have no recording or transcript, it's her word against his. But it's clear that he did speak for some length of time, and unknown amount of time but he did discuss guns and how useful they are in defending ourselves against rapists and robbers.

Even if he didn't go so far as to say every kid should own a gun, it's proof he should be more careful what topics he chooses to discuss in a high school, and he needs to be very clear about what he means.