Omnibus Crime Bill C-10 Passed

[cybercoma]

Now that the Omnibus Crime Bill has been passed, how do you feel about your safety?

[MACKER]

Now that the Omnibus Crime Bill has been passed, how do you feel about your safety?

About the same way I felt before it passed.

Why is paper suppose to make me safer somehow? Safer now that people don't need to say who they give their guns to? Did that kill the registry thing happen yet?

None the less, it only makes me think criminals are going to do something worth atleast the minimum now, to get their times worth. So it will be like well if I'm growing I might as well punk some people off too.

Well if I'm getting hit for molesting I guess I can abduct them too.

Yeah cause the criminal code did so much to stop crime?

Or what the purpose of an omnibus bill so you could roll the thing up and hit people over the head with it rather than give them paper cuts?

Now they have semesters instead of trips to jail

Its like crime one get one free.

Edited March 14, 2012 by MACKER

[eyeball]

As I understand it the feds are going to introduce C10's different elements over time following negotiations with the provinces.

My guess is they'll do so in lead ups to provincial elections in which Harper will offer big juicy carrots to the prospective conservative leaning candidates for premiers. They'll gladly accept them while relishing the thought of applying the standard soft on crime label to any un-conservative candidates that deign to differ.

Rinse and repeat as necessary and the whole country will be just like Texas in the not so distant good ol' days.

[MACKER]

As I understand it the feds are going to introduce C10's different elements over time following negotiations with the provinces.

My guess is they'll do so in lead ups to provincial elections in which Harper will offer big juicy carrots to the prospective conservative leaning candidates for premiers. They'll gladly accept them while relishing the thought of applying the standard soft on crime label to any un-conservative candidates that deign to differ.

Rinse and repeat as necessary and the whole country will be just like Texas in the not so distant good ol' days.

If the law was ascented, how can they stager a law, once it is law it is law.

all I can say is how can you stager the implementation of a bill once it is passed and becomes law?

is there something I'm missing here?

Is this another one of them, Harper's Election Law thing - it only applies when I want it too laws.

where is the staggered coming into force provision in this thing?

http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Docid=5124131

right at the very end..

This Part comes into force on a day to be fixed by order of the Governor in Council.

Ok so the bill has passed but the law hasn't been implemented.

Interesting...

well make this law within 100 days but we won't act on it for... ???? how many days months or years ever?

is ther a reason you didn't immediately start cracking down on pedaphiles?

compromise on minimum sentences

"8. The court is not required to impose a minimum punishment unless it is satisfied that the offender, before entering a plea, was notified of the possible imposition of a minimum punishment for the offence in question and of the Attorney General’s intention to prove any factors in relation to the offence that would lead to the imposition of a minimum punishment."

So, its not a minimum sentence unless we say it is and the attorney general wants it that way..

Edited March 15, 2012 by MACKER

[madmax]

Not sure I feel any different..

I need to see the Pricetag on this venture..

[Guest Manny]

Forcing this bill through is an absolutely stupid about-face that is not supported by legal experts, political scientists and actual experience in different countries around the world. There is no doubt in my mind this will prove to be a failure, and waste of Canadian taxpayers money. Plus the destruction of lives in tow. Or, in Toew...

In so doing, these liars ("Conservatives") show that they only seek to increase the divide between haves and have-nots.

It shocks my conscience. The best thing that will happen is a constitutional challenge that will strike it down.

I hope this will finally wake up the Canadian public to what they have voted into power here. As I've said before, we get the government we deserve!

[cybercoma]

Stop! Don't Toews me, bro.

[WLDB]

There are some parts of the bill I like but other parts seem rather insane. Politically it was smart for the Conservatives to push it through now. By the time the next election comes around most people might have forgotten about it unless the costs of the bill become an issue.

[eyeball]

We already know from listening to Vic Toews and Rob Nicholson that the cost of getting tough on crime is not a consideration, they've said so and the dearth of cost projections seems to underscore this. C-10's social utility should be what really counts and whether cracking down on society is engineering it into the desired form or not.

[dre]

The best thing that will happen is a constitutional challenge that will strike it down.

I agree, but its risky being in that position, where we are hoping the courts will rescue us from "Government Gone Wild", and folks that hate our freedom.

Its just embarrassing quite frankly. This approach (mandatory sentencing) has been utterly discredited. Some of the policies coming out of this government almost have a "flat earth" kinda feel to them, like our government exists in another time or a completely different reality.

Edited March 16, 2012 by dre

[Guest Manny]

Some of the policies coming out of this government almost have a "flat earth" kinda feel to them, like our government exists in another time or a completely different reality.

Kinda like being ruled by Taliban. And that's not really a joke, it's already been established there are parallel ideas between Neocon mentor Leo Strauss and Sayid Qutb.

[WLDB]

Kinda like being ruled by Taliban. And that's not really a joke, it's already been established there are parallel ideas between Neocon mentor Leo Strauss and Sayid Qutb.

Leo Strauss was a weird guy. He sounds almost like a quasi-Fascist from what I've read about him.