Not guilty? I hope he gets a sentence of sorts by someone.

[jbg]

I don't. It's terrible and inexcusable what they did to that poor kid, but you have no idea what they've been through. They may come from an abusive family or may have had a parent with severe depression. These attackers are only chilren themselves.

The criminal as victim time?

Sounds like the police in the "West Side Story" song who correctly said "(h)e's deprived on account that he's depraved" where the thug had said "(w)e're depraved on account that we're deprived".

[jbg]

'zactly.

No contradiction at all.

Some posts are not worthy of a response. Edited March 20, 2012 by jbg

[cybercoma]

Feel free to lookup Illusion of order: the false promise of broken windows policing by Harcourt.

[Wild Bill]

Feel free to lookup Illusion of order: the false promise of broken windows policing by Harcourt.

Harcourt is entitled to his opinion but he does not write gospel!

Back in the 70's and 80's New York was an absolute mess! Especially the subways. No sane citizen walked the parks not just at night but in the evenings.

When is the last time we had a Bernard Getz incident on a New York subway? While people of your opinion were telling the world that there was no need to fear taking a New York subway folks like Getz knew that was utter crapola from daily personal experience! Getz didn't get a gun for the thrill of it. He got one for protection. He had no choice but to take the subway and the reality of the situation terrified him!

Those days are gone. Here in Canada, we often seem to be gung ho about developing them for ourselves.

As I keep saying, something either works or it's just academic technobabble.

Or perhaps more correctly, propaganda.

[jbg]

Harcourt is entitled to his opinion but he does not write gospel!

Back in the 70's and 80's New York was an absolute mess! Especially the subways. No sane citizen walked the parks not just at night but in the evenings.

Quite true. The "look of disorder" was in itself scary.

I can speak for myself in that during that era, I avoided parks from evening on, and the subways at all times, except in the downtown core.

In the parks, during the summer of 1978 I had one particularly scary episode, where a friend of mine was actually attacked. I was not attacked. In Boston, similarly, during the spring on 1981 two Irish kids (just to show there's no racial element) aimed beer bottles at mine and one of my friends' heads. The bottle flew harmlessly over my head into Boylston Street, ahead of me. My friend was not so lucky and spent the night in Beth Israel Hospital's ER.

Times Square was filled with X-rate movie houses, tarot card readers and houses of prostitution. Now it's filled with out of town tourists and baby carriages.

Almost all of New York is now safe. Not sure about Boston.

When is the last time we had a Bernard Getz incident on a New York subway? While people of your opinion were telling the world that there was no need to fear taking a New York subway folks like Getz knew that was utter crapola from daily personal experience! Getz didn't get a gun for the thrill of it. He got one for protection. He had no choice but to take the subway and the reality of the situation terrified him!

Actually the Bernie Goetz episode marked the start of the turnaround since it gave the perpetrators something to fear. That the ordinary people were fighting back, even if the politicians were busy with other matters.

[Guest Peeves]

Your twisted buddy!

So much so that you are using the misfortunes of victim of crime to vent your frustration!

You should be banned from this site buddy!

WWWTT

Ah poor widdle buddy was upset. I so sorry.

Frankly, my opinion is as valued as yours and IF YOU think someone should be banned for voicing a pertinent and

palpable thought well then, I guess you're pretty safe.

[Guest Peeves]

And that bigger bullie would do the same thing as they did.

Do you not see the contradiction in your statement?

WWWTT

'zactly.

No contradiction at all.

[jbg]

Your twisted buddy!

So much so that you are using the misfortunes of victim of crime to vent your frustration!

You should be banned from this site buddy!

WWWTT

Ah poor widdle buddy was upset. I so sorry.

Frankly, my opinion is as valued as yours and IF YOU think someone should be banned for voicing a pertinent and

palpable thought well then, I guess you're pretty safe.

I guess there are some who believe in stealing from the crippled to benefit themselves. Much like the way the NDP wants to steal from the productive to benefit the idle. Edited March 20, 2012 by jbg

[jbg]

There was a similar incident in the U.S. I started a thread which I hope will be thoughtful, not the usual here (link).

Edited March 20, 2012 by jbg

[bleeding heart]

I guess there are some who believe in stealing from the crippled to benefit themselves. Much like the way the NDP wants to steal from the productive to benefit the idle.

By "productive" you mean "wealthy"; and by "idle" you mean "not wealthy."

And by "steal" you mean "moving tax money downwards or horizontally, rather than funneling it upwards as is proper for an elitist economic organization (ie North America)."

Very telling formulations.

Edited March 25, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Guest Peeves]

By "productive" you mean "wealthy"; and by "idle" you mean "not wealthy."

And by "steal" you mean "moving tax money downwards or horizontally, rather than funneling it upwards as is proper for an elitist economic organization (ie North America)."

Very telling formulations.

"Moving tax money" ? Rather taking money from the wage earner and spending it on more and more social programs and 'benefits.'

Do you know how long in days, an Eastern Lobster fisherman has to work for full employment benefits?

Do you think it reasonable for a wife and husband to both go off on maternity leave?

http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/09/18/parents-of-twins-can-now-both-take-parental-leave/#.T3DfH1awV-0

At one time you saved for the time you had a kid. Now, I'm supposed to finance someone else's pregnancy! Why?

Those like Libby want the 10 year residency for OAS removed.

Why not just take our checks and split the cash up to everyone?

"Libby wants to remove the 10 year residency requirement for Canadian citizens to collect Old Age Security." Typifying socialist manifestos.

And by "steal" I mean taking tax money and wasting it on programs that are just a payoff foor votes, like teachers and civic employees with cushy jobs and featherbedding and unsustainable benefits and pensions.

I don't begrudge any investor (That creates jobs) any profit. I think a non union worker is entitled for a fair wage for a fair days work, and even SOME unionized employees DO perform a fair days work for their pay, but not many in the civic workers branch.

Your too are very telling formulations.

[eyeball]

Statistics about states with the death penalty suggest otherwise. More severe punishments does not create greater deterrence. Those who commit crimes do not do so expecting to get caught.

Keep ramping up the punishment and those who do expect to get caught will only become more ruthless and shoot back if not shoot first.

[Guest Peeves]

Keep ramping up the punishment and those who do expect to get caught will only become more ruthless and shoot back if not shoot first.

nonsensical reasoning.

The death penalty may or may not be a deterrent, but an assured punishment is certainly on the mind of criminals.

To my way of thinking our present sentencing of murderers is contemptible as it pertains to the victim or the family victims.

A life taken by a multiple murderer is often relegated to a worthless statistic.

To wit

Robert William "Willie" Pickton (born October 24, 1949)[2] of Port Coquitlam, British Columbia, Canada is a former pig farmer[3] and serial killer convicted of the second-degree murders of six women.[4][5] He is also charged in the deaths of an additional twenty women,[6] many of them prostitutes and drug users from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside. In December 2007 he was sentenced to life in prison, with no possibility of parole for 25 years —the longest sentence available under Canadian law for murder.[7]

During the trial's first day of jury evidence, January 22, 2007, the Crown stated he confessed to forty-nine murders to an undercover police officer posing as a cellmate. The Crown reported that Pickton told the officer that he wanted to kill another woman to make it an even 50, and that he was caught because he was "sloppy".[8]

Surely being sentenced as would be the same case for ONE murder, the other murder count for NOTHING!

Why concurrent sentences???

Why not a life sentence for each conviction. Since Pickton was convicted of 6 (of the 49) murders, sentence him to 150 years? At least then the other victims would be recognized in the sentence.

Further, the families would not be facing repeated parole hearings.

[bleeding heart]

"Moving tax money" ? Rather taking money from the wage earner and spending it on more and more social programs and 'benefits.'

Do you know how long in days, an Eastern Lobster fisherman has to work for full employment benefits?

Do you think it reasonable for a wife and husband to both go off on maternity leave?

http://www.phdinparenting.com/2009/09/18/parents-of-twins-can-now-both-take-parental-leave/#.T3DfH1awV-0

At one time you saved for the time you had a kid. Now, I'm supposed to finance someone else's pregnancy! Why?

Those like Libby want the 10 year residency for OAS removed.

Why not just take our checks and split the cash up to everyone?

"Libby wants to remove the 10 year residency requirement for Canadian citizens to collect Old Age Security." Typifying socialist manifestos.

And by "steal" I mean taking tax money and wasting it on programs that are just a payoff foor votes, like teachers and civic employees with cushy jobs and featherbedding and unsustainable benefits and pensions.

I don't begrudge any investor (That creates jobs) any profit. I think a non union worker is entitled for a fair wage for a fair days work, and even SOME unionized employees DO perform a fair days work for their pay, but not many in the civic workers branch.

Your too are very telling formulations.

But you--you, Peeves--do believe in taxation.

So you support "stealing," in your own formulation.

And so it is literally impossible to take your arguments seriously; or to even suppose that you mean them seriously. Which kinda begs a question or two, don't you think?

Edited March 31, 2012 by bleeding heart

[Guest Peeves]

But you--you, Peeves--do believe in taxation.

So you support "stealing," in your own formulation.

And so it is literally impossible to take your arguments seriously; or to even suppose that you mean them seriously. Which kinda begs a question or two, don't you think?

More stuff and nonsense. I believe in fiscal responsibility by governments at all levels not pandering for votes.

So you support "stealing," in your own formulation." Just where do I do that exactly?

[bleeding heart]

More stuff and nonsense. I believe in fiscal responsibility by governments at all levels not pandering for votes.

So you support "stealing," in your own formulation." Just where do I do that exactly?

Are you telling me there are zero taxes you consider reasonable?

[Guest Peeves]

Feel free to lookup Illusion of order: the false promise of broken windows policing by Harcourt.

Don't know if this is pertinent but I think it may be.

I had an opportunity to conduct an experiment over a period of time in a large industrial site employing a significant number of employees.

We had garbage/waste containers put at several locations to maintain house keeping.

At a nearby corner that was within a short distance from the container and clean we threw apiece of crumpled up paper,an obviously discarded piece of waste.

Within days that corner had collected a mountain of garbage.