olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 The first proof of the cpc pretending to be elections canada has been released http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/7806652272 Ahem ^ Quote
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 Ahem ^ That's not exactly proof. Anyone can post on that page saying anything they want. Unless that person signs an affidavit and is willing to testify, it's meaningless. Quote
huh Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) That's not exactly proof. Anyone can post on that page saying anything they want. Unless that person signs an affidavit and is willing to testify, it's meaningless. good try...anyway, if you guys are going to post every link or piece of paper that doesn't prove the cpc directed someone to direct people to the wrong polling station i suggest you get comfy, you're going to be at it for a while. I hope the person(s) responsible are caught and prosecuted, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE, but that takes real evidence, not dreams. Edited February 26, 2012 by huh Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 good try...anyway, if you guys are going to post every link or piece of paper that doesn't prove the cpc directed someone to direct people to the wrong polling station i suggest you get comfy, you're going to be at it for a while. I hope the person(s) responsible are caught and prosecuted, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEY ARE, but that takes real evidence, not dreams. Hey!!! Pierre Poilievre is here!! 'sup,Pete? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Ah, so that's your game! I've said it many times, punked. I vote CPC only as the party that stinks the least to my nose! That being said, I could NEVER vote for the NDP unless they changed drastically! I could vote for a Tony Blair Labour type party. The federal NDP here in Canada is not even remotely close! If we were up to our asses in alligators and the task of the moment was to recover arms and legs that were chomped off, for hopeful re-attachment at the hospital, the federal NDP would be forming a committee to have alligators declared an endangered species. As for the Liberals, maybe if they paid back about 65 million of the dollars they stole with ADScam I might consider it. As I keep saying, I really have no other choices! So you can fan my dissatisfaction with the Tories all you want. Until the NDP becomes a BETTER choice to my eyes than they are now I will not even consider voting for them! You would never know how good they could be unless you actually saw them govern. The CPC talked a big game when they weren't in power, now that they are and they have changed so much I would think you would reconsider all your options. Apparently though a party which you helped shaped in your Reform days turning their back on you means nothing. Why should the Conservatives worry if their voters don't care what they do. Quote
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Which proves exactly what ! The NDP have also used Rack9 Not for calls into Ontario. Inside Ontario the NDP uses Direct Leap a calling info center that they helped create. OUCH facts. Quote
Newfoundlander Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 I've said it many times, punked. I vote CPC only as the party that stinks the least to my nose! Many people feel the same way as you and I can hardly blame them. I've heard a number of people say that they can't stand Harper but don't see how there is any better option. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 That's not exactly proof. Anyone can post on that page saying anything they want. Unless that person signs an affidavit and is willing to testify, it's meaningless. The ndp is asking rcmp to look into it Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Many people feel the same way as you and I can hardly blame them. I've heard a number of people say that they can't stand Harper but don't see how there is any better option. I wonder if those people graduated high school Quote
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Again ANYONE can get the CPC, LIB, or NDP voter list during a campaign very easily it is on EVERY campaign computer in the country. It is not under lock and key like you seem to think. The question about these lists is getting clearer now. On QP today, Lib. MP Frank Valeriote weighed in. "He would have had to have access to voter lists, lists that identified Liberal and NDP supporters, and I can tell you . . . . that the Conservatives have those lists," Valeriote said"They have spent years calling people, asking them to identify what party they support. They created these kind of lists." Now, they're using them to identity Liberal and NDP supporters "so that they can create this kind of absolute chaos on election day." http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120226/robocalls-debate-on-ctv-question-period-120226/ Access to voter information and creation of voters lists are not limited to the Conservative party. All parties do it. Political parties are exempt from the do-not-call list regime and unlike private businesses or government agencies who collect volumes of information on citizens, they aren't subject to privacy laws either. -- political parties have compiled data on voters for decades, -- The basic data used by parties is sourced from Elections Canada via the National Register of Electors. It provides the name and address of every voter and is used for communicating with them, soliciting contributions or recruiting party members. An audit of privacy issues at Elections Canada in 2008-2009 raised concerns about how the agency was handling the data but also noted the problems don't stop there. "Lists distributed to political parties and candidates can be endlessly photocopied and circulated," that study found. -- Those curious about how much information a political party may have on them could be out of luck. Since they aren't subject to privacy laws, the parties don't have to tell Canadians what information is in their database. The Liberals say whatever information they do have on voters was given freely to the party, and that members and donors can request or amend their files. When sending out email blasts, the party also tells recipients how their email addresses ended up on file. The Conservatives would only comment on the current Elections Canada investigation, saying they are fully co-operating. The NDP did not indicate whether they would hand over someone's file if it was requested. "The information we have is confidential, we do not share it," said Sally Housser, deputy national director of the party. http://www.cp24.com/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120226/120226_Robocalls/20120226/?hub=CP24Home Valeriote's comments leave one with the impression that only the Conservative party monitors our voting intentions. Whether done intentionally or not, that is not the case. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 The NDP really is the only place for Reformers to go, as they're the only party now that's serious about electoral Reform and abolishing the Senate. The CPC has become the party of patronage and corruption, just like the Liberals. Blue is just a different shade of Red in Canadian politics. Interesting. Reform never stood for electoral reform! And they never wanted to abolish the Senate either, instead wanting a Senate that was Equal, Elected and Effective. So how does that make the NDP so attractive again? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 It could be your nose is deluded Bill, have you ever been tested for synesthesia? No eyeball, but I grew up with Quadrophenia! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 I think you've made up your mind more upon what you believe the NDP is rather than what they actually are. They've moved closer to the center since Alexa McDonough and when Tom Mulcair wins you can take that as an indication that the party is continuing to move towards the center. Hey, I can wait! I'm always more inclined to see actions rather than listen to rhetoric to decide about something. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 Someone needs to dig the exclamation point key out of Bill's keyboard. Quote
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Interesting. Reform never stood for electoral reform! And they never wanted to abolish the Senate either, instead wanting a Senate that was Equal, Elected and Effective. So how does that make the NDP so attractive again? Listen all I can tell the Reform members who have joined my ridding association (NDP) and who continue to be very right wing have done so because we are the only ones who take a stance of one member one vote. Meaning they can shape policy from the grassroots luckily they are out numbered right now however they would rather be in an organization which is democratic even if they disagree with most of the policy stances then be in one that better reflects their policy beliefs that treats them like they mean nothing. Maybe you are different and you would rather put policy before democracy, these people are the other way around they stand for the system they believe in first and policy second. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 You would never know how good they could be unless you actually saw them govern. The CPC talked a big game when they weren't in power, now that they are and they have changed so much I would think you would reconsider all your options. Apparently though a party which you helped shaped in your Reform days turning their back on you means nothing. Why should the Conservatives worry if their voters don't care what they do. I saw Bob Rae govern and that was enough! I know, "But that was the OLD NDP!" you will cry! If they kept getting in, you would say "2 out of 3, no 3 out of 5, no! 5 out of 7!" And I never helped to shape the CPC, thank you! The PCs took it over and I bailed on the PCs nearly 25 years ago for being too leftwing. Why would I feel more comfortable with the NDP? I don't want to abolish the Senate. I want to increase Canada's military and strengthen our NATO ties. I don't believe in taxing the rich till there are no more (to crib from that old Ten Years After song). I don't believe in corporate welfare to save the jobs of workers who make more than I ever did and I don't believe that any government run service could ever come close to being an efficient vehicle for delivering services! Frankly, I think the CNIB could do a better job of delivering the mail than the present crown corporation! Just how well would I fit with the NDP, punked? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 More circumstantial evidence this time coming from the 2008 campaign. Seems similar dirty tricks were played then to save a cabinet minster in a riding the NDP dropped out of. http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/columnists/story.html?id=f70f8ede-0da9-45ea-a06c-c47817864d55 Also if you want to get a look at the ridings and how they voted six estate a blog is tracking them. Again look at them and ask yourself who gained here. http://sixthestate.net/?p=3646 Quote
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 Of course, I'm sure you're aware that there have been many NDP provincial governments. So I don't know why you and others keep pointing to Bob Rae's government. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Poor Bill, living in a left wing country you're more than welcome to move to the states where they care more about discussing contraception Quote
scribblet Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Not for calls into Ontario. Inside Ontario the NDP uses Direct Leap a calling info center that they helped create. OUCH facts. Fine - but you know - they have ties Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 I saw Bob Rae govern and that was enough! I know, "But that was the OLD NDP!" you will cry! If they kept getting in, you would say "2 out of 3, no 3 out of 5, no! 5 out of 7!" And I never helped to shape the CPC, thank you! The PCs took it over and I bailed on the PCs nearly 25 years ago for being too leftwing. Why would I feel more comfortable with the NDP? I don't want to abolish the Senate. I want to increase Canada's military and strengthen our NATO ties. I don't believe in taxing the rich till there are no more (to crib from that old Ten Years After song). I don't believe in corporate welfare to save the jobs of workers who make more than I ever did and I don't believe that any government run service could ever come close to being an efficient vehicle for delivering services! Frankly, I think the CNIB could do a better job of delivering the mail than the present crown corporation! Just how well would I fit with the NDP, punked? Bob Rae is a Liberal and govern like a Liberal. Many in the NDP were disheartened during the Rae government because he through out the populist pragmatic part of the NDP that has lead to successful governments. I wouldn't have voted for him again, it is best when your party is doing wrong to vote against them and let them rebuild instead of hoping they will turn things around. Sometimes you have to build from the ground up again to get the government you want and deserve. Again you can put Policy over democracy all you want. However I think that is a terrible choice. You are welcome to it though many people in many countries have gone that way, it will never be my belief though. If it comes down to supporting a government (from my party) who does not support my core beliefs of Social Democracy but might have better policies then their alternatives I will be ready and willing to through them out and rebuild. Better to take 1 back to take 2 steps forward sometimes then to go forward only to end up so far behind you will never get to where you are going. It is your choice I am just saying everyday more and more former Reform members are showing at ridding meetings saying they need a party that at least gives them a voice. I would say it is these people that are leading the NDPs lean to the center which I am not always enjoying but which is a part of a party growing. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) You would never know how good they could be unless you actually saw them govern. The CPC talked a big game when they weren't in power, now that they are and they have changed so much I would think you would reconsider all your options. Apparently though a party which you helped shaped in your Reform days turning their back on you means nothing. Why should the Conservatives worry if their voters don't care what they do. I saw Bob Rae govern and that was enough! I know, "But that was the OLD NDP!" you will cry! If they kept getting in, you would say "2 out of 3, no 3 out of 5, no! 5 out of 7!" And I never helped to shape the CPC, thank you! The PCs took it over and I bailed on the PCs nearly 25 years ago for being too leftwing. Why would I feel more comfortable with the NDP? I don't want to abolish the Senate. I want to increase Canada's military and strengthen our NATO ties. I don't believe in taxing the rich till there are no more (to crib from that old Ten Years After song). I don't believe in corporate welfare to save the jobs of workers who make more than I ever did and I don't believe that any government run service could ever come close to being an efficient vehicle for delivering services! Frankly, I think the CNIB could do a better job of delivering the mail than the present crown corporation! I don't believe in a minimum wage. or rent controls. While I don't mind carrying an OHIP card, I would love to see as many private clinics as possible, to force CUPE and all medical unions into a competitive situation with private industry to deliver health care services. I would allow any bar, club or restaurant that wishes to allow smoking, non-smoking or mixed, depending on whatever clientelle they wish to attract. While I would legalize all drugs, I would not support paying a nickel towards needle exchanges or clean shootup rooms. I would support rehab only. I favour capital punishment! I would have sent tanks into Caledonia and Oka! I would abolish the Indian Act and negotiate one-tie reparations. After that you would either be a Canadian or not, and only Canadians would be entitled to government aid and services. No abortion would be publicly funded, except as a result of rape or incest. Along with that, condoms would be free for everyone! Anyone working for a Human Rights Commission would be designated a public target and could be beaten or shot with impunity! Just how well would I fit with the NDP, punked? I admit I got a bit carried away with the last point but still, somehow I don't think I'd be a good match. Edited February 26, 2012 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Fine - but you know - they have ties I am just saying that if the NDP were to be the ones behind this they might want to go with a Call center run by a former member, which actually is located in southern Ontario and which it would be easier to hid. Quote
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) I saw Bob Rae govern and that was enough! I know, "But that was the OLD NDP!" you will cry! If they kept getting in, you would say "2 out of 3, no 3 out of 5, no! 5 out of 7!" And I never helped to shape the CPC, thank you! The PCs took it over and I bailed on the PCs nearly 25 years ago for being too leftwing. Why would I feel more comfortable with the NDP? I don't want to abolish the Senate. I want to increase Canada's military and strengthen our NATO ties. I don't believe in taxing the rich till there are no more (to crib from that old Ten Years After song). I don't believe in corporate welfare to save the jobs of workers who make more than I ever did and I don't believe that any government run service could ever come close to being an efficient vehicle for delivering services! Frankly, I think the CNIB could do a better job of delivering the mail than the present crown corporation! Just how well would I fit with the NDP, punked? Double post. Edited February 26, 2012 by punked Quote
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Former Chief Electoral Officer Jean-Pierre Kingsley told radio host Evan Solomon, on Saturday, that any Canadian can ask a judge to overturn election results if there's been any "irregularities, fraud, corrupt or illegal practices.""If a judge is satisfied [the dirty tricks] could have affected the results then the judge can overturn the election and the government must call a by-election," said Kingsley, who held Elections Canada's top post for 17 year before resigning in 2007. Full article: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/robocall-scandal-could-lead-elections-202108363.html This could get interesting.... and this ought to sufficiently piss off Argus viz. the power of judges. Edited February 26, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
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