olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 That is a true statistic, but I think I say with out hesitation the Conservatives as a party use it less then independents and members of other parties. So they actually understand less, and do not understand the public likes the Internet the way it is. If they wanted to do anything about problems with the Internet they would invest to speed it up and carry more bandwidth that is what Canadians want not this. This is a waste of time and money. they should have researched it first http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/canadians-internet-usage-nearly-double-the-worldwide-average/article1934508/?service=mobile Quote
dre Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Problem for the CPC is the average Canadian can be involved on the Internet. Going after the Internet is political suicide in any country and these people who don't understand the Internet do not understand how much of a third rail issue it is. Even my father who I have to turn the computer on for and do the typing for him, who is a gun loving Conservative is angry about this. They will just lock down the internet in a series of baby steps so that the anger is managable. Watch! They will take out the worst parts of this bill, but they will keep the part that forces an archiving policy on ISP's. That establishes the body of data. THen over the next while they will use emotional events as an excuse to secure easier access to that data. The archiving policy is really the most dangerous part, and I bet you that becomes law. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 gutless response? were you imagining riots? #TellVicEverything was the apropriate response here Not riots. But a government trying to sneak legislation like this through in a free country should wake up the next day with not a single supporter. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 Not riots. But a government trying to sneak legislation like this through in a free country should wake up the next day with not a single supporter. I doubt many people support this legislation in fact this might be used to distract us from another bill .. Quote
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 they should have researched it first http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/canadians-internet-usage-nearly-double-the-worldwide-average/article1934508/?service=mobile They don't care they just need to keep winning the 20-25% of the population who doesn't use the internet. They aren't a party that are looking what Canadians on a whole want they just need to keep their base happy and suppress the other voters. Problem is their base loves civil liberties and accountability at least that Reform win does so if the opposition can frame this as the gun registry all over again it doesn't matter what the lobbyist that wrote this bill want. Before their term is over they will do something that will hurt Canadian in terms of the Internet because they aren't doing the right thing. It will happen hopefully we can just stop them enough to make sure whatever they do is easy to get rid of in 2015 when they lose. Quote
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 They will just lock down the internet in a series of baby steps so that the anger is managable. Watch! They will take out the worst parts of this bill, but they will keep the part that forces an archiving policy on ISP's. That establishes the body of data. THen over the next while they will use emotional events as an excuse to secure easier access to that data. The archiving policy is really the most dangerous part, and I bet you that becomes law. It is definitely the part that will cripple our ISPs and cause huge data caps to be brought in. Not only will they now have to the bandwidth to move all that data now they must store all that data. Hope the Canadian people are ready to have Internet like we did 2000 and Canadian business is ready to be uncompetitive to the rest of the worlds Internet speeds. It is a dumb idea because how fast the internet and data usage grows the only way you can do it is to stop that data grow, which means limiting and capping it. Quote
capricorn Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I wonder what corporate lobby group wrote this one for our government? b. Mandate of the Legislative Services BranchThe Legislative Services Branch (the Branch) is headed by the Chief Legislative Counsel, and its responsibilities include: the drafting of all government bills and amendments; the review and drafting of regulations; the harmonization of federal legislation with the civil law of Quebec; the updating, consolidation and publication of federal statutes and regulations and related tables. The Branch is also responsible, on behalf of the Minister of Justice, for examining government bills and regulations for compliance with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Canadian Bill of Rights. my boldinghttp://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/news-nouv/others-autres/2009/doc_32413d.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 my bolding http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/news-nouv/others-autres/2009/doc_32413d.html I don't care who typed the words in the bill, I want to know where the ideas came from. Clearly not Vic Toews he didn't even know what was in it. Pretty sure it came from some corporate lobby group, the government doesn't even know what is in the bill so they didn't give The Legislative Services Branch the ideas to put in there. Maybe it came from the police but I can't see why it would. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 I don't care who typed the words in the bill, I want to know where the ideas came from. Clearly not Vic Toews he didn't even know what was in it. Pretty sure it came from some corporate lobby group, the government doesn't even know what is in the bill so they didn't give The Legislative Services Branch the ideas to put in there. Maybe it came from the police but I can't see why it would. probably from americans, like usual for the cpc, the copyright bill they felt "had to be" approved by the US why not this one too Quote
dre Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I don't care who typed the words in the bill, I want to know where the ideas came from. Clearly not Vic Toews he didn't even know what was in it. Pretty sure it came from some corporate lobby group, the government doesn't even know what is in the bill so they didn't give The Legislative Services Branch the ideas to put in there. Maybe it came from the police but I can't see why it would. Why do you think this came from any corporate lobby? It seems like such a boiler plate piece of CPC legislation. Exactly what one would expect. I assume the contributors were the same folks that wrote the omnibus crime bill. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 probably from americans, like usual for the cpc, the copyright bill they felt "had to be" approved by the US why not this one too Probably...those "Damn Americans" dominate every aspect of your life. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Dont talk to the troll and it will just go away. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 Probably...those "Damn Americans" dominate every aspect of your life. are you that unaware of american influence? right now the US is lobbying aka "bullying" other countries into accepting SOPA & ACTA among others why is this scenario so hard to understand for you? US is a bully Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 Dont talk to the troll and it will just go away. oops Quote
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Why do you think this came from any corporate lobby? It seems like such a boiler plate piece of CPC legislation. Exactly what one would expect. I assume the contributors were the same folks that wrote the omnibus crime bill. I am just saying some of the privacy pieces might have come from the police. However I the ISP storage pieces seem like a clear attempt by media groups who hate the Internet to cripple it. If your copy right law fails to pass then the next best thing is to make it so the Internet doesn't work the way it should. I think most of us can agree after the Minster confirmed it, it did not come from him and probably not ideas from his party either. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 are you that unaware of american influence? right now the US is lobbying aka "bullying" other countries into accepting SOPA & ACTA among others No, I don't worry about "bullying" from lesser gods. why is this scenario so hard to understand for you? US is a bully What scenario? If you mean Canadian pirates, I have no sympathy for that. Stop stealing content that doesn't belong to you. CRTC "CanCon" rules just makes it even funnier! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 No, I don't worry about "bullying" from lesser gods. What scenario? If you mean Canadian pirates, I have no sympathy for that. Stop stealing content that doesn't belong to you. CRTC "CanCon" rules just makes it even funnier! Stealing in your country isn't the same in mine. So while posting on the Canadian forum can you please use proper language just because you don't like the laws that run our country does not mean you can act like they don't exist. The people of Canada make our laws not anyone else deal with it. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) Stealing in your country isn't the same in mine. So while posting on the Canadian forum can you please use proper language just because you don't like the laws that run our country does not mean you can act like they don't exist. The people of Canada make our laws not anyone else deal with it. What? Your "Canadian forum" is located in Texas. Stop stealing....produce your own content instead. "We must protect Canadian culture from the Great Satan (CRTC), but it is OK to steal American media and intellectual property." LOL! Edited February 18, 2012 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 What? Your "Canadian forum" is located in Texas. Stop stealing....produce your own content instead. Location of the forum doesn't change the laws that my country is governed by, maybe you don't get that. Fact is don't pretend your laws are the ones that govern my country because they don't. Quote
dre Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 think most of us can agree after the Minster confirmed it, it did not come from him and probably not ideas from his party either. I think they are trying to distance themselves from part of the legislation because its unpopular. "Oops! It was an accident!"... "We didnt write it!" Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Location of the forum doesn't change the laws that my country is governed by, maybe you don't get that. Fact is don't pretend your laws are the ones that govern my country because they don't. We were talking about "your laws", but somehow the "conspiring" Americans always get looped in. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 Location of the forum doesn't change the laws that my country is governed by, maybe you don't get that. Fact is don't pretend your laws are the ones that govern my country because they don't. Stop talking to it. This has nothing to do with the subject at hand, and youre an unwitting accomplice in the derailment of this thread now. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 I think they are trying to distance themselves from part of the legislation because its unpopular. "Oops! It was an accident!"... "We didnt write it!" Fine excuse but then begs the question who did write it doesn't it? Now we know either our government is a bunch of lairs, or they have someone writing bills for them that they don't know what is in them. So it is time for us to get out in front of this and spin spin spin, someone is writing bills for our government and they support them with out knowing what is in them. I think that is a much bigger problem for them then this story would have been. Quote
olpfan1 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Posted February 18, 2012 We were talking about "your laws", but somehow the "conspiring" Americans always get looped in. Because that is what has been happening ever since i read tony clement told his assistant to tell the americans to put canada on a list with russia and china to shame the canadian public into accepting the US style copyright bill Ive been weary Quote
punked Posted February 18, 2012 Report Posted February 18, 2012 We were talking about "your laws", but somehow the "conspiring" Americans always get looped in. I wasn't saying that, I assume it is as much Canadian content providers as much as anyone else who would want to cripple our Internet. Although it could just as well be American Media companies. I don't know. Quote
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