Iran

[Guest Derek L]

There a point in there somewhere?

Yes, I’m sorry you missed it……..reread your post suggesting war with Iran would waste fuel and my responses…If you still have trouble, let me know.

[greyman]

Yes, I’m sorry you missed it……..reread your post suggesting war with Iran would waste fuel and my responses…If you still have trouble, let me know.

I didn't think so.

[Guest Derek L]

I didn't think so.

Still don’t get it? You suggested we’d be better off saving the fuel that would be used in a conflict, as opposed to ensuring a dramatically larger fuel source is secure.

[greyman]

Still don’t get it? You suggested we’d be better off saving the fuel that would be used in a conflict, as opposed to ensuring a dramatically larger fuel source is secure.

We'd be better off using our resources to produce more oil at home.

[Guest Derek L]

We'd be better off using our resources to produce more oil at home.

It’s not a zero sum game…..We’d be even better off ensuring access to other nation’s resources in concert with using our own, to say nothing of the fact that if Iran blockaded Persian Gulf Oil tomorrow, the following day we wouldn’t be energy independent.

[bush_cheney2004]

We'd be better off using our resources to produce more oil at home.

No...you still don't get it. The developed world operates as a large hydrocarbon based economy. It doesn't matter what happens in Canada if other trading partners have an economic collapse. That's what "Big Oil" is all about....oil for all those existing and emerging economies. World demand is about 80 million bpd.

[greyman]

It’s not a zero sum game…..We’d be even better off ensuring access to other nation’s resources in concert with using our own, to say nothing of the fact that if Iran blockaded Persian Gulf Oil tomorrow, the following day we wouldn’t be energy independent.

The entire world is running out of oil. That wouldn't stop were we to conquer the entire Middle East. We probably should look at re-tooling, and moving past oil entirely.

Will that happen tomorrow, or even five years from now?

Probably not, but that doesn't mean we don't try - and in the meantime, it might be in our best interest economically speaking - to stay out of wars or other foreign entanglements.

[greyman]

No...you still don't get it. The developed world operates as a large hydrocarbon based economy. It doesn't matter what happens in Canada if other trading partners have an economic collapse. That's what "Big Oil" is all about....oil for all those existing and emerging economies. World demand is about 80 million bpd.

I'm aware of the problem. We're running out of oil. We all are...so let's spend our resources figuring out how we're gonna get off oil, instead of squandering them to kill each other over a dwindling supply.

[Guest Derek L]

The entire world is running out of oil. That wouldn't stop were we to conquer the entire Middle East. We probably should look at re-tooling, and moving past oil entirely.

Will that happen tomorrow, or even five years from now?

Probably not, but that doesn't mean we don't try - and in the meantime, it might be in our best interest economically speaking - to stay out of wars or other foreign entanglements.

The entire world has been “running out of oil” since the 70s, still hasn’t changed the demand……….Our interests in the present day revolve around energy. Full Stop.

[greyman]

The entire world has been “running out of oil” since the 70s, still hasn’t changed the demand……….Our interests in the present day revolve around energy. Full Stop.

Point?

[bush_cheney2004]

I'm aware of the problem. We're running out of oil. We all are...so let's spend our resources figuring out how we're gonna get off oil, instead of squandering them to kill each other over a dwindling supply.

No, we're not running out of oil. There is still plenty of oil in proven reserves, and more yet to be explored. The "problem" is that politics can get in the way of getting oil, transporting oil, refining oil, and consuming oil. Hence...The Oil Wars.

[greyman]

No, we're not running out of oil. There is still plenty of oil in proven reserves, and more yet to be explored. The "problem" is that politics can get in the way of getting oil, transporting oil, refining oil, and consuming oil. Hence...The Oil Wars.

The "oil wars" are products of people who lack the intelligence or patience to negotiate. And besides, it's stupid to kill one another for it, when even the "winners" lose in the end.

The world's "proven reserves" will be dry by 2045.

We run into a problem when demand outstrips supply, and if we're not quite there yet, we're exceedingly close.

Time to stop fighting over what's left, and start putting the world's collective brain-power toward figuring out how we're going to continue in a post-oil environment.

[bush_cheney2004]

The "oil wars" are products of people who lack the intelligence or patience to negotiate. And besides, it's stupid to kill one another for it, when even the "winners" lose in the end.

Your opinion is noted, but reality makes it irrelevant.

The world's "proven reserves" will be dry by 2045.

Not likely....economics will determine when alternative energy sources displace oil, which will always be in the mix.

We run into a problem when demand outstrips supply, and if we're not quite there yet, we're exceedingly close.

No, as stated earlier, "Peak Oil" was suppose to be over 40 years ago.

Time to stop fighting over what's left, and start putting the world's collective brain-power toward figuring out how we're going to continue in a post-oil environment.

We can always do that later...after The Oil Wars.

[greyman]

Your opinion is noted, but reality makes it irrelevant.

Not likely....economics will determine when alternative energy sources displace oil, which will always be in the mix.

No, as stated earlier, "Peak Oil" was suppose to be over 40 years ago.

We can always do that later...after The Oil Wars.

And the Darwin Award goes to...

[bush_cheney2004]

And the Darwin Award goes to...

...it goes to reality, where I live. Try it sometime.

[Wild Bill]

And the Darwin Award goes to...

You can prove anything with logic if you are missing facts that would contradict your argument. In this case, you are assuming that the concept of "Peak Oil" is true. Not everyone agrees and there is a lot of politics involved in that idea.

We've been hearing about Peak Oil for more than a few years now, certainly before all those new deposits of shale gas were opened up. Some estimates have claimed that there is enough shale gas in Canada and the US to supply both countries for more than 300 years, at present demand!

Also, we never ever develop alternatives ahead of time. We waste tons of money with government funded projects but they rarely are fruitful. Rather, it is only when we are nearly out of a needed commodity that we seem to get off our collective asses. It then becomes a crisis, with crash programs to find a solution.

And we always do find a solution!

I would give a Darwin Award to those who think they know what's best when they have only a layman's or worse yet, an academic's perspective!

[Guest Derek L]

You can prove anything with logic if you are missing facts that would contradict your argument. In this case, you are assuming that the concept of "Peak Oil" is true. Not everyone agrees and there is a lot of politics involved in that idea.

We've been hearing about Peak Oil for more than a few years now, certainly before all those new deposits of shale gas were opened up. Some estimates have claimed that there is enough shale gas in Canada and the US to supply both countries for more than 300 years, at present demand!

Also, we never ever develop alternatives ahead of time. We waste tons of money with government funded projects but they rarely are fruitful. Rather, it is only when we are nearly out of a needed commodity that we seem to get off our collective asses. It then becomes a crisis, with crash programs to find a solution.

And we always do find a solution!

I would give a Darwin Award to those who think they know what's best when they have only a layman's or worse yet, an academic's perspective!

Another well thought out post Bill……..I got a smoking deal on my first car in 1980 (‘74 Z-28) because the previous owner thought gas prices were going to go through the roof due to world wide shortages……I wish I still had that car.