If a countries leader threatens another with annihilation

[GostHacked]

Deir ez-Zor? It was a centre for execution during the Armenian Genocide...you're blaming the Israelis for something from 1915?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard

Operation Orchard[2][3] was an Israeli airstrike on a nuclear reactor[4] in the Deir ez-Zor region[5] of Syria carried out just after midnight (local time) on September 6, 2007.

[DogOnPorch]

Syria and Israel have no peace treaty. Syria attacked them first.

[GostHacked]

Syria and Israel have no peace treaty. Syria attacked them first.

What about Iraq the Osirak reactor?

[DogOnPorch]

What about Iraq the Osirak reactor?

Iraq also attacked Israel first and did not have a peace treaty with Israel.

[DogOnPorch]

Plus you have this wee event that pretty much sets the goal posts...but we don't like to harp on what the Arab League did at Khartoum. It's never been officially denounced and is still the position taken by many elements of Arab society...not just yer terrorists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khartoum_Resolution

No peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it.

[Guest Peeves]

You don't dare accuse Israel of that either.

To the contrary,

I think you'll readily find that Israel is accused of everything and has been excluding unbiased positions on Israels declared enemies. I have indeed criticized Israel on occasion.

That Israel is a tiny country surrounded by foes and invaders and fired on constantly and can't afford any mistakes is a given.

Israel should be subject to criticism to the same degree of any other country or group.

Why not a bit of accusation for the rest from time to time?

Reality bites!

Israeli Ambassador to the UN Ron Prosor told the UN Security Council on Tuesday:

"Never has it been so clear that Iran is seeking to build a nuclear weapon. This is the single greatest threat to the security of the entire world....The latest IAEA reports prove beyond any doubt that Iran has a nuclear weapons program, which is advancing rapidly. Each and every member of the United Nations - and particularly this Council - should lie awake at night thinking about what would happen if the regime in Tehran gets ahold of the most dangerous weapon on earth."

"After a year of turmoil in the Middle East...what issue has this Council deemed the most pressing in its monthly debate on the Middle East? Surprise, surprise...the status of municipal building applications in the West Bank....Yet, entire Middle Eastern countries where people are being killed, repressed and tortured daily continue to go without mention."

"How many times have members of this Council...repeated this statement: the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the central conflict in the Middle East. If you solve that conflict, you solve all the other conflicts in the region....It is obvious that Yemen, Syria, Egypt, Bahrain, and many other conflicts in the Middle East have nothing to do with Israel. The constant repetition of the statement does not make it true."

"The primary obstacle to peace is not settlements....The major hurdle to peace is the Palestinians' insistence on the so-called 'claim of return.'...You won't hear them say 'two states for two peoples' because today the Palestinian leadership is calling for an independent Palestinian state, but insists that its people return to the Jewish state. This would mean the destruction of Israel."

"The idea that Israel will be flooded with millions of Palestinians will never be accepted. The international community knows it. The Palestinian leadership knows it. But the Palestinian people aren't hearing it. In a poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion last November, 90% of Palestinians said that they would not give up the 'claim of return.' This gap between their perception and reality is - and will remain - the major obstacle to peace."

"The Gaza Strip...remains a launching ground for constant rocket attacks targeting Israeli cities and civilians. Last year, some 700 rockets were fired into Israel. That's an average of almost two rockets fired every single day.....Yet, this Council still has not found the time or the will to utter a single syllable of condemnation against these attacks. The silence is deafening."

http://ca.mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=2a2v7odplo0nf

[Guest Peeves]

Nuke the whole area, including Israel, then we can have some peace on the earth and carry on without this bullshit that is the whole of The Middle East.

Israel is the aggressor here. They were the aggressors in Iraq (Osirak), and Syria (Deir ez-Zor) which are acts of war on sovereign countries. So you are right they are not the same, Iran may have strong words, but Israel's past actions are more of a concern to me. They WILL act, and that WILL start another bigger conflict in the Middle East. Israel seems to be just itching for a war.

War has already been declared on Iran, sanctions were the start of it.

Israel is at times prepared for a preemptive strike as are most other countries threatened with attack, I concede that. They have to be secure and given the Palestinians reluctance to discuss security for Israel they would be fools not to be on guard.

As for Syria (Deir ez-Zor)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_ez-Zor

"France occupied Deir ez-Zor in 1921 and made it the seat of a large garrison. Meanwhile, the region was locally ruled by Haj-Fadel Abboud, a member of an aristocratic family. In 1941 British-led forces defeated the Vichy French during the Syria-Lebanon campaign, which included a battle over Deir, and they handed administration of the region to the Free French. In 1946 it became part of the independent Republic of Syria.

Deir ez-Zor is situated 85 km to the northwest of the archaeological remains of Dura-Europos and 120 km northwest of the remains of the ancient city of Mari. During Roman times it was an important trading post between the Roman Empire and India. Conquered by Zenobia, it became part of the kingdom of Palmyra. After a successive wave of conquests, it was finally destroyed by the Mongols as they swept across the Middle East."

Edited January 25, 2012 by Peeves

[GostHacked]

Israel is at times prepared for a preemptive strike as are most other countries threatened with attack, I concede that. They have to be secure and given the Palestinians reluctance to discuss security for Israel they would be fools not to be on guard.

As for Syria (Deir ez-Zor)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_ez-Zor

"France occupied Deir ez-Zor in 1921 and made it the seat of a large garrison. Meanwhile, the region was locally ruled by Haj-Fadel Abboud, a member of an aristocratic family. In 1941 British-led forces defeated the Vichy French during the Syria-Lebanon campaign, which included a battle over Deir, and they handed administration of the region to the Free French. In 1946 it became part of the independent Republic of Syria.

Deir ez-Zor is situated 85 km to the northwest of the archaeological remains of Dura-Europos and 120 km northwest of the remains of the ancient city of Mari. During Roman times it was an important trading post between the Roman Empire and India. Conquered by Zenobia, it became part of the kingdom of Palmyra. After a successive wave of conquests, it was finally destroyed by the Mongols as they swept across the Middle East."

Both you and Doggy seem to have missed the point that the reactor was in Deir ez-Zor region. Regardless of the history lesson here.

[DogOnPorch]

Both you and Doggy seem to have missed the point that the reactor was in Deir ez-Zor region. Regardless of the history lesson here.

And you never bothered to find out that Iraq jumped-in feet first in 1948 with the rest of the Arabs.

[GostHacked]

And you never bothered to find out that Iraq jumped-in feet first in 1948 with the rest of the Arabs.

No matter, Israel will take out Iran's reactor which will cause more headaches for Israel. Iran may have words, but again, Israel's past actions show it will do it again.

[jbg]

Nuke the whole area, including Israel, then we can have some peace on the earth and carry on without this bullshit that is the whole of The Middle East.

Israel is the aggressor here. They were the aggressors in Iraq (Osirak), and Syria (Deir ez-Zor) which are acts of war on sovereign countries. So you are right they are not the same, Iran may have strong words, but Israel's past actions are more of a concern to me. They WILL act, and that WILL start another bigger conflict in the Middle East. Israel seems to be just itching for a war.

War has already been declared on Iran, sanctions were the start of it.

Come on.

In the real world, is Israel likely to use a weapon unless suffering an undefendable attack? Obviously not. Israel is most unlikely to fire off a nuke if the Prime Minister has a bad dream at night.

Can one really say the same for Syria, or Iraq in the time of the Osirak attack?

[DogOnPorch]

No matter, Israel will take out Iran's reactor which will cause more headaches for Israel. Iran may have words, but again, Israel's past actions show it will do it again.

Iran and Israel were once friends. I wonder why those darn Israelis did to have such an about face? (Note to GH: this is a rhetorical question.)

[Guest Peeves]

Iran and Israel were once friends. I wonder why those darn Israelis did to have such an about face? (Note to GH: this is a rhetorical question.)

With friends as these..yada yada...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries

Many Iranian and Kurdish Jews fled Iran and abandoned their property in fear, that they would remain hostages of a hostile regime.When combined all together, as much as 37% of Jews in Islamic countries—the Arab world, Turkey, Iran and Afghanistan, left for Israel between May 1948 and the beginning of 1952. They amounted for 56% of the total immigration to the newly founded State of Israel.[12] The exodus of Iranian Jews peaked following the 1979 Islamic Revolution, when around 80% of Iranian Jews left the war-torn country for US and Israel.

Turkish Jewry had mostly immigrated due to economic reasons and Zionist aspirations, but since the 1990s increasing terrorist attacks against Jews caused security concerns, with the result that many Jews left for Israel.

[jbg]

Then can someone tell me why there isn't a Jewish "cartoon jihad" throughout the world?

Crickets (and link).

[bud]

Crickets (and link).

you're really going all out with your duty as a hasbara bot.

it looks like blood thirsty zionists really want a war bad.

anyone with the curiousity to read this thread beyond the title and the op sees how peeves is a liar just like you are.

[kraychik]

when did iran threaten to annihilate israel?

Iran has been threatening the destruction of Israel almost daily for years. This isn't news.

[bud]

Iran has been threatening the destruction of Israel almost daily for years. This isn't news.

you should look over the thread and see the response to that false statement. it has already been covered and all the hasbara bots, including the original poster, have failed to show how iran has threatened to annihilate israel.

[kraychik]

you should look over the thread and see the response to that false statement. it has already been covered and all the hasbara bots, including the original poster, have failed to show how iran has threatened to annihilate israel.

There is "death to Israel" propaganda coming from Iran daily. Again, this isn't controversial and it isn't news. It's been going on since virtually 1979. This is normal in a tyrannical state, which needs a constant enemy around which it an galvanise its population and deflect from its internal failures.

This video took about two seconds to find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcjzO7AB2M

[kraychik]

This video took about five seconds to find:

[bud]

There is "death to Israel"

death to israel and death to america are all slogans and figures of speech that have been mistranslated. the real meaning as it's been said is 'down' with _____. it doesn't mean that they want to build a nuclear bomb and annihilate israel or america or britain.

as you said, "some countries need a constant enemy around which it an galvanise its population and deflect from its internal failures". this is true in regards to america and israel and many other countries as well. they also need a bogeyman to continue to sell weapons to feed the military industrial complex.

here is a good link on the myth of 'wipe israel off the map' comment:

fair.org

Edited September 24, 2012 by bud

[kraychik]

Right, because "death to Israel" is so completely and totally different from what they REALLY mean to say, "down with Israel". I've spoken with Iranian ex-pats several times, and they've told me what I need to know. An honest discussion is not possible with a person like yourself who is committed to the dishonest narrative of Iran never having threatened Israel with annihilation (which they've done literally thousands of times over many years). This whole exchange is a joke.

[bud]

Right, because "death to Israel" is so completely and totally different from what they REALLY mean to say, "down with Israel". I've spoken with Iranian ex-pats several times, and they've told me what I need to know.

which is what? they say that the people who chant 'death to america' really want to annihilate america?

An honest discussion is not possible with a person like yourself who is committed to the dishonest narrative of Iran never having threatened Israel with annihilation (which they've done literally thousands of times over many years). This whole exchange is a joke.

i'm willing to change what i believe if you are able to show some proof that iran wants to annihilate america or israel. no one here has been able to show any proof with citations or links. maybe you can give it a shot?

[Mr.Canada]

This is definitely a sticky and hard issue that, I don't feel, has any real answers.

Sometimes Iran appears to be an unstable nation hell bent on destroying Israel and its allies at any cost. Then at other times it appears to be softer. I'm sure this is planned.

What worries me is if the world does nothing and Iran becomes nuclear capable and launches a nuclear attack. Then it is too late for everyone because everyone will launch. I think it comes down to....Can Iran be trusted with nuclear weapons? If you were Israel could you trust Iran with nuclear arms?

[Mr.Canada]

which is what? they say that the people who chant 'death to america' really want to annihilate america?

i'm willing to change what i believe if you are able to show some proof that iran wants to annihilate america or israel. no one here has been able to show any proof with citations or links. maybe you can give it a shot?

I posted a thread on this article when it first appeared two years ago. Maybe you missed it. Here it is. Have a read.

[dre]

or justifiable for a covert response? The assassination of certain Iranians and others elsewhere is being condemned on one hand and I'm sure applauded by others.

I'm suggesting here that any actions short of perhaps invasion or war can be a justifiable response to such openly warlike rhetoric.

I don't mean that type of ploy as used by Germany, but rather open threats by one of a countries leaders against another country.

Would a threatened country be expected to just sit on their hands or react in defense?

IFthe state of Israel responds with covert actions can they be seriously faulted by other countries and should their allies be supportive.

If the threat is unprovoked,is it not reasonable to consider the threat as requiring a defensive strategy?

Does the UN allow a member country to suggest the annihilation of another.

Iran like Korea is a rogue country.

I might personally deem other countries as rogue as well, South American perhaps. I think that if a country is openly suggesting action against another they make themselves a target for a justifiable response.

I suggest the degree of response might be judged in one way publicly and yet another sotto voce.

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

The problem is that never happened. Amadinijaad is not the leader of Iran, and the real leader says they wont attack Israel or anyone else for that matter. But if your hypothetical scenario ever DOES happen, we can certainly have a conversation about it.

Edited September 25, 2012 by dre