For or against long gun registry?

[Michael Hardner]

So you need the goverment to tell you what to do and how to do it? I see now they have annoucments on the radio to tell you it is cold out , so do you need to be told to wear a jacket?

Not me. I would wear a helmet anyway, but some people need to be coerced.

[Mascotal]

OK, I have an idea. Since there are too many dead beat fathers and mothers, lets complain to the government about it and demand they do something about it. I can see it now, first there will be a mandatory parenting course to achieve a license. Then you would need to prove you are mentally stable enough and financially secure in order to get the permit for having a kid.. Failure to do these would result in your child being taken away and jail time for the parents. Oh, Gawd I can hear the crying now.

What a world this is going to be.

[Michael Hardner]

OK, I have an idea. Since there are too many dead beat fathers and mothers, lets complain to the government about it and demand they do something about it.

What a great idea. We'll do this and call it the Mascotal Parenting License !

[Mascotal]

Oh, I forgot about the diaper tax. We need to think about the environment too.

[cybercoma]

I've got an idea! Let's all get together and create a comic book.

[Mascotal]

Funny... that was part of the registry program that you wanted dismantled.

Not me. I have always said the 2 billion bucks should be spent to support gun clubs. Not shut them down.

Support knowledge and conservation. As a result you will get less crime by default.

[Mascotal]

I don't want to see anyone bring there children into public view anymore either. Kids scare the shit out of me so they should all go to jail if they do. Let's see, about 5 miles outside of city limits should be enough I'd say. You see, I don't have any kids, and I never plan to have kids, so I don't care.

Don't think for a second this can't happen either. All I need to do is convince enough ignorant voters to go along with me and Bob's ur uncle.

[Mascotal]

What a great idea. We'll do this and call it the Mascotal Parenting License !

Well, so far it's Mike and me. Now if he tells two friends, and I tell two friends. Hmmmm this could really work.

[Mascotal]

I shouldn't have to put up with the noise from day care centers either. It upsets me hearing kids playing.

I guess we can lobby our local government to shut them down.

[cybercoma]

Let's see... numerous accidental gun deaths, suicides, and domestic homicides vs the nuissance of noise pollution. Great comparison.

Edited January 15, 2012 by cybercoma

[Guest Derek L]

I shouldn't have to put up with the noise from day care centers either. It upsets me hearing kids playing.

I guess we can lobby our local government to shut them down.

I want an exemption to this new “law“……..mine are safely locked up, kept out of view of the public so as not to “frighten them“, have never hurt anyone and are regularly cleaned………..Same can be said about my guns I suppose…

[Guest Derek L]

Let's see... numerous accidental gun deaths, suicides, and domestic homicides vs the nuissance of noise pollution. Great comparison.

Can’t the same be said about booze and/or recreational drugs?

I'll also ask my above question to you again:

It's not a factual point though…….Do you think law enforcement would react any different if they “saw” this rifle as opposed to the .22 lr being prohibited :

http://www.frontierfirearms.ca/images/199L.jpg ?

[Mascotal]

Here it is cybercoma.........

Your chance to tell it like it is.

I'm giving you a vote to say if I'm right or wrong.

You only get to answer "YES" or "NO".

If you answer with a comment you loose by default.

Have my comments about children and their parents been anti-Canadian by Canadian values?

"yes" or "no"

[prairiechickin]

I was born and raised in the city, but I had the good fortune to have immediate country roots, and my Mother couldn't wait to dump me and my little brother off on the farm every summer where we could run like coyotes and burn off a litle bit of city energy. On the farm there was a porch before you got in the house, that was the place you stripped off your muddy boots, took off your grubby coat, and if need be, used the chemical toilet bathroom. On the wall of that room was a gun rack, and it was full of specific guns for specific purposes, and the ammo was right there in case you needed it, and it was all right there in the front porch in case you had to shoot fast.

Over the years I got into all kinds of shenanigans on that farm from spearing the cows into stampede, to seriously bruising the pigs playing mind games with them. I fought the turkeys, and the chickins that nearly pecked me and my brother to death when our cousins locked us in the chickin coop with snow on our boots, and the chickins came for the moisture and I thought that was the end. But in all that craziness, that gun rack was off-limits, I would have no more touched a gun on that rack than I would have taken a key and driven off with a vehicle. Guns were for grown-ups, and we understood that back then. We didn't need federal approval, there was a certain sensibility about guns and who got to play with them. That all got lost with the last blast of liberal gun control.

To satisfy a significant voting population of Central Canada, that sensible gun rack is now gone in southern Saskatchewan, and with it maybe with it a good lesson for prairie kids. Some things are for adults, some things are for kids, and keep your hands off the guns until an adult teaches you. Now its been farmed out to presenters at $150/pop who know three/fifths of f-all about guns and hunting. We, the gun owners, are adding all this up, and once Harper dispenses of the registry, we'll be acting accordingly. At its best, the long-gun registry maybe accounted for half the legal guns in Canada, once the registry is wiped out we'll never know how many guns are out there.

[Guest Derek L]

At its best, the long-gun registry maybe accounted for half the legal guns in Canada, once the registry is wiped out we'll never know how many guns are out there.

I’ve read one source ( I’ll try and find the link), that has the number of private firearms within Canada to be ~10 million, on top of the nearly half a million owned by various levels of Government………As I suggested above, to ensure that no future registry is feasible, once the LGR is buried, the 2-3 million gun owners across Canada go out and purchase a semi-auto rifle or shotgun (And a few thousand rounds of corresponding ammo) and squirrel it away…………..If a future Government does try and implement any future form of registry or “gun control”, to quote Ghandi, our collective answer should be a :

'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble.

Russian Simonov SKS-45

and

1440 rounds Chinese military surplus 7.62x39 FMJ

[Mascotal]

prairiechickin / Derek L

I was raised in the city but I still hold the same proud Canadian values as you. My father taught me how to be a man and respect others at the same time. I respect women, I respect my neighbor, I respect our flag, and I respect firearms. I also respect the efforts and sacrifices of our armed forces. They are the ones who died for our freedom and rights. Being Canadian is more then sitting back and criticize what has been given to us. How dare they. How dare they.

[Guest Derek L]

prairiechickin / Derek L

I was raised in the city but I still hold the same proud Canadian values as you. My father taught me how to be a man and respect others at the same time. I respect women, I respect my neighbor, I respect our flag, and I respect firearms. I also respect the efforts and sacrifices of our armed forces. They are the ones who died for our freedom and rights. Being Canadian is more then sitting back and criticize what has been given to us. How dare they. How dare they.

I live in Greater Vancouver, but I hunt Deer/Moose/Grouse/Wild Turkey, target shoot at several local ranges (Use to competitively) and take my son, nephew and their friend out once or twice a month into the "bush" to shoot tin cans, clay pigeons and paper targets.

As far as I’m concerned, since I not a menace to society, it’s no ones business, let alone Government, to know what I do in my spare time a keep in my house.

As I’ve said prior, I went along begrudgingly with the current registry, because it was the “law” and a nagging wife…….But after witnessing the waste of money it became, and the usage of said registry by the Government to confiscate personal property (Without compensation) and the abuse afforded to law enforcement for unreasonable search and seizure, I certainly won’t comply (As I hope many other Canadians don’t) with some hypothetical future registry or gun confiscation program.

[Mascotal]

I live in Greater Vancouver, but I hunt Deer/Moose/Grouse/Wild Turkey, target shoot at several local ranges (Use to competitively) and take my son, nephew and their friend out once or twice a month into the "bush" to shoot tin cans, clay pigeons and paper targets.

As far as I’m concerned, since I not a menace to society, it’s no ones business, let alone Government, to know what I do in my spare time a keep in my house.

As I’ve said prior, I went along begrudgingly with the current registry, because it was the “law” and a nagging wife…….But after witnessing the waste of money it became, and the usage of said registry by the Government to confiscate personal property (Without compensation) and the abuse afforded to law enforcement for unreasonable search and seizure, I certainly won’t comply (As I hope many other Canadians don’t) with some hypothetical future registry or gun confiscation program.

I live in Hope B.C. brother.

Your a good father to spend your valued time with your son and his friends. They are learning lessons from you that they will not learn anywhere else. They are lessons they will never forget. They are an imprint of you and what you stand for. Thank you for being there.

Come shoot with me anytime at our club in Hope.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Mascotal

[Mascotal]

prairiechickin

Next time you come to my area I would also like to meet with you. You also hold values dear to me and you are welcome at my club as a friend any time. Let's go shooting, and bring your kids.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Mascotal

[prairiechickin]

prairiechickin

Next time you come to my area I would also like to meet with you. You also hold values dear to me and you are welcome at my club as a friend any time. Let's go shooting, and bring your kids.

You betcha, I do wander out to the West Coast from time to time, but haven't been for awhile. All my friends that lived out there moved back to Saskatchewan after tha last Olympics when the work dried up, but I can always find a reason to get out your way. I love Hope, one of the prettiest towns in Canada.

[Tilter]

I was born and raised in the city, but I had the good fortune to have immediate country roots, and my Mother couldn't wait to dump me and my little brother off on the farm every summer where we could run like coyotes and burn off a litle bit of city energy. On the farm there was a porch before you got in the house, that was the place you stripped off your muddy boots, took off your grubby coat, and if need be, used the chemical toilet bathroom. On the wall of that room was a gun rack, and it was full of specific guns for specific purposes, and the ammo was right there in case you needed it, and it was all right there in the front porch in case you had to shoot fast.

Over the years I got into all kinds of shenanigans on that farm from spearing the cows into stampede, to seriously bruising the pigs playing mind with them. I fought the turkeys, and the chickins that nearly pecked me and my brother to death when our cousins locked us in the chickin coop with snow on our boots, and the chickins came for the moisture and I thought that was the end. But in all that craziness, that gun rack was off-limits, I would have no more touched a gun on that rack than I would have taken a key and driven off with a vehicle. Guns were for grown-ups, and we understood that back then. We didn't need federal approval, there was a certain sensibility about guns and who got to play with them. That all got lost with the last blast of liberal gun control.

To satisfy a significant voting population of Central Canada, that sensible gun rack is now gone in southern Saskatchewan, and with it maybe with it a good lesson for prairie kids. Some things are for adults, some things are for kids, and keep your hands off the guns until an adult teaches you. Now its been farmed out to presenters at $150/pop who know three/fifths of f-all about guns and hunting. We, the gun owners, are adding all this up, and once Harper dispenses of the registry, we'll be acting accordingly. At its best, the long-gun registry maybe accounted for half the legal guns in Canada, once the registry is wiped out we'll never know how many guns are out there.

May I say---- DITTO

If the cities want to limit the number of LEGAL guns, let them (out of the city council's and mayor's wages) spend the money foolishly counting the guns & gun owners that will never commit a crime with them and, like the stupid gun registry, ignore the illegal gun toting criminals who will never give them up except at the time a cop points a bigger one at them.

[Michael Hardner]

I don't want to see anyone bring there children into public view anymore either. Kids scare the shit out of me so they should all go to jail if they do. Let's see, about 5 miles outside of city limits should be enough I'd say. You see, I don't have any kids, and I never plan to have kids, so I don't care.

Don't think for a second this can't happen either. All I need to do is convince enough ignorant voters to go along with me and Bob's ur uncle.

Your sarcasm here strikes me as weird, since you started out with an argument on principles then switched to an argument based on pragmatism. The principled argument was the idea that we should consider the number of children's lives lost, which switched to something more pragmatic (i.e. education) when I came back with a challenge to that.

Then you switched into this new tack - which is that government shouldn't be a nanny state. I'm still waiting to what happened with the first argument though.

I suspect that you're new to forums and arguing, so welcome to MLW.

prairiechickin / Derek L

I was raised in the city but I still hold the same proud Canadian values as you. My father taught me how to be a man and respect others at the same time. I respect women, I respect my neighbor, I respect our flag, and I respect firearms. I also respect the efforts and sacrifices of our armed forces. They are the ones who died for our freedom and rights. Being Canadian is more then sitting back and criticize what has been given to us. How dare they. How dare they.

Added: You seem to bond pretty quickly to these two posters based on ... not much at all. I guess you are a very trusting person.

As for the last 3 sentences - they don't make sense to me. Not too many people criticize our rights. And there's no reason for you to be outraged. You have a chance to make your case here, or perhaps in your case to figure out why you really feel the way you do.

[Michael Hardner]

As I’ve said prior, I went along begrudgingly with the current registry, because it was the “law” and a nagging wife…….But after witnessing the waste of money it became, and the usage of said registry by the Government to confiscate personal property (Without compensation) and the abuse afforded to law enforcement for unreasonable search and seizure, I certainly won’t comply (As I hope many other Canadians don’t) with some hypothetical future registry or gun confiscation program.

Thanks, Derek L. Now that you have declared yourself above the law of Canada, you will doubtlessly never criticize poster or other person on here for breaking the law, correct ?

[Michael Hardner]

I live in Hope B.C. brother.

Your a good father to spend your valued time with your son and his friends. They are learning lessons from you that they will not learn anywhere else. They are lessons they will never forget. They are an imprint of you and what you stand for. Thank you for being there.

Come shoot with me anytime at our club in Hope.

They will learn that it's ok to openly declare yourself as above the law, I guess.

[jbg]

As for the last 3 sentences - they don't make sense to me. Not too many people criticize our rights. And there's no reason for you to be outraged. You have a chance to make your case here, or perhaps in your case to figure out why you really feel the way you do.

Since when is coherence a requirement for membership and posting privileges?