PIK Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Functional political system..... Hmmm.... I guess the current Iraq is the exception that proves the rule? Because the biggest threat to the world is in play in iraq that did not happen in japan or south korea, RELIGION.. Edited December 29, 2011 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jbg Posted December 30, 2011 Report Posted December 30, 2011 Salvador Allende a democratically elected despot... Interesting... At least the Chicago School of Business thought so... No, I'm saying that post-Pinochet was an improvement over Pinochet. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted December 30, 2011 Report Posted December 30, 2011 America can be a bully, and does not always play by the rules, but it does have a track record of doing the right thing when it matters. I guess I'll take that as a back-handed compliment. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted December 30, 2011 Report Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) Functional political system..... Hmmm.... I guess the current Iraq is the exception that proves the rule? You've got me there, I was thinking historically without considering the latest effort. They were given one. And chose not to take the gift. Examples of the "functioning political systems" in the wake of U.S. occupation are South Korea, Japan, the Phillipines, West Germany, Italy, and Austria. Edited December 30, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Scotty Posted December 30, 2011 Report Posted December 30, 2011 No..But you're missing the point... How would things have turned out if the CIA AND THE us State Dept. had not have sponsored a coup and let Mohammed Mossadiq lead his country like he was democratically elected to do so... The fifties were an era when a whole bunch of countries were 'given their freedom' and held democratic votes. Almost none of them... I might even go out on a limb and say NONE... of them survived as democracies for more than a few years before becoming dictatorships. And given the proximity to the Soviet Union, with the Soviets doing their level best to turn it into a puppet, I doubt any government in place at that time could have survived as a democracy. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
jbg Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 The fifties were an era when a whole bunch of countries were 'given their freedom' and held democratic votes. Almost none of them... I might even go out on a limb and say NONE... of them survived as democracies for more than a few years before becoming dictatorships. And given the proximity to the Soviet Union, with the Soviets doing their level best to turn it into a puppet, I doubt any government in place at that time could have survived as a democracy. I don't chalk it up to proximity to the U.S.S.R. After all Finland survived quite nicely as a democracy.None of these countries had any democratic tradition. The "democratically elected" leader was almost invariably the thug that pushed for independence. The post-election leadership was either that leader consolidating control, as in Kenya, or thugs knocking off thugs, as in Nigeria. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Tilter Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 Unveiling according to the Prophet From the camel's mouth, Quote
Tilter Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 (edited) The crusades were far earlier. I did mention, did I not, that the Arab world was once actually more advanced, socially, scientifically, and militarily than the Europeans? That's how they were able to take over the so-called Holy lands and forcibly convert the Christian populations to Islam (which, of course, led to the Crusades). But then it froze in time, no advances whatsoever, while Europe grew, reformed, prospered, and brought in new economic, political and social systems which helped it move far ahead. Meanwhile, the Arab world is still frozen in time. And the only thing the new 'democratic' political movements will do is continue that since they are all dedicated Islamists. I did mention, did I not, that the Arab world was once actually more advanced, socially, scientifically, and militarily than the Europeans? That's how they were able to take over the so-called Holy lands and forcibly convert the Christian populations to Islam (which, of course, led to the Crusades). What a crock! The takeover was a result of the basic inhumanity of Islam not because the Arab world was once actually more advanced, socially, scientifically, and militarily but because they were more driven by a cruel "religion" . Whole countries were invaded & with a scimitar to the populations' throat, "converted" the populace to Islam.The Crusades attempted to reverse the trend basically using the same tactics. Edited January 3, 2012 by Tilter Quote
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