OCCUPY West Coast Ports TODAY

[sharkman]

Well there was a lot of persecution and beheadings for starters...

Edited December 13, 2011 by sharkman

[jacee]

Well there was a lot of persecution and beheadings for starters...

Tear gas, pepper spray, jail ...

Next?

[fellowtraveller]

Depends. If you were a unionised worker you might have some of the same concerns that those protesters have.

I cannot imagine what they would share, since the Occupiers have some real problems in specifying exactly what their concerns are and what can be done about it. I doubt a longshoremen prevented from earning a days wages would be interested in that sort of vague ideological discussion on the way to work.

Unions exist to gain advantage and particularly financial for their members, first and foremost. How is that different from shareholders in companies, those evil corporations? In recent decades, that reality has been dressed i na veneer of social justice, for causes that their predecessors have already won. It is all about the money, like it or not.

I hope the Occupiers don't get hurt badly by their brothers.

[jacee]

I cannot imagine what they would share, since the Occupiers have some real problems in specifying exactly what their concerns are and what can be done about it. I doubt a longshoremen prevented from earning a days wages would be interested in that sort of vague ideological discussion on the way to work.

Unions exist to gain advantage and particularly financial for their members, first and foremost. How is that different from shareholders in companies, those evil corporations? In recent decades, that reality has been dressed i na veneer of social justice, for causes that their predecessors have already won. It is all about the money, like it or not.

I hope the Occupiers don't get hurt badly by their brothers.

I guess you missed the point:

"The occupiers said their action is “a call to stand in solidarity with the longshoremen of Longview, Wash., who are courageously fighting union-busting activities by the grain company EGT."

[cybercoma]

I cannot imagine what they would share, since the Occupiers have some real problems in specifying exactly what their concerns are and what can be done about it.

The only problem is getting people like you to understand what the concerns are. They've made them perfectly clear and it's not their job to solve the problems of the economy. It's their job to draw attention to the problems and demand that those who can make the appropriate changes come up with a plan to address those problems. Did anyone ask Rosa Parks to draft civil rights legislation?

[GostHacked]

I have to wonder if they even know what they are doing. This, I think, sums it up pretty well:

"Protesters wanted to send a message to the 1% but they are impacting the 99%," said Portland port spokesman Josh Thomas. The stoppage is resulting in "lost shifts, lost wages and delays," he said.

Occupy protesters disrupt West Coast ports

If anything the Occupy movement failed, as I kind of predicted. If they were more organized and went after the people that can change things, it would be a situation of Occupy senate, congress, parliament, ect .. essentially occupy the government. Protesting at ports are not going to do much good either.

[sharkman]

Tear gas, pepper spray, jail ...

Next?

These are not comparable with beheading a protester, friend. And they were beheading innocent citizens like you and me, not just law breakers(protesters).

[jacee]

The only problem is getting people like you to understand what the concerns are.

Oh I think he "understands".

I guess he thinks he's 'protected' by the rich and powerful cabal.

[Guest Manny]

These are not comparable with beheading a protester, friend. And they were beheading innocent citizens like you and me, not just law breakers(protesters).

Protesting is not necessarily law breaking. Unless you actually believe that people should not have the right to protest.

There has been plenty of violence by the government against people, some against protesters. One guy as shot in the head at point blank range. The only thing keeping them from moving in with the riot police, clubbing and handcuffing, kicking and punching, is the fact that cameras are rolling and people would see what's going on right away. Take away the public awareness, and you better believe they'll kick you right in the mahones.

So beheading is not taking place yet... we should all be quiet and stay like sheep. Baa, baa. What about stealing, is that to be accepted? As in taking all the tax payers money and propping up big business, who then turn around and lay off thousands of workers, the ones who payed those taxes, and instead give the money to their shareholders, give bonuses to their management. I think what the occupy groups are protesting is pretty clear. If you don't get it by now, you must be living under a couch.

[sharkman]

The comparison being discussed was historic France and present day, therefore, those being arrested back then and now, and how they are being treated.

I would submit to you that being arrested today and having your full rights to a lawyer paid for by the state, and having full rights to prosecute any officer that abuses you is not comparable to being dragged off by a guy with a sword and beheaded without trial. Or how about 20 years in a dungeon with no heat, no light and swill for food? Being beaten whenever the guards feel like it?

It's not comparable to today's actions against the protesters.

And they didn't take tax payers money. They borrowed money from China(which is worse in my mind). But they did it to keep the system afloat. I agree with that idea, but unfortunately Obama is so poor an administrator that he may have only put off a depression, not saved us from one.

[jacee]

These are not comparable with beheading a protester, friend. And they were beheading innocent citizens like you and me, not just law breakers(protesters).

And we're not likely to wait that long are we?

Ya peasants are uppity about keeping our heads these days. Something called "democracy" ...

[Guest Manny]

The comparison being discussed was historic France and present day, therefore, those being arrested back then and now, and how they are being treated.

Plenty of signs that this is coming. For example, let them eat cake. What do you think she meant by that?

I would submit to you that being arrested today and having your full rights to a lawyer paid for by the state, and having full rights to prosecute any officer that abuses you is not comparable to being dragged off by a guy with a sword and beheaded without trial. Or how about 20 years in a dungeon with no heat, no light and swill for food? Being beaten whenever the guards feel like it?

Well this is on its way back too. It started with places like Gitmo, indefinite detention without trial. And today we hear about new laws coming into place giving far too much powers to the police and military, indefinite detention and even execution of citizens wihtout trial. Firs they are coming in the US but once it's established there, it will become practice in Canada and other contries as well.

If it isn't already, under the guise of "national security".

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-must-act-one-day-left-until-american-citize/

And they didn't take tax payers money. They borrowed money from China(which is worse in my mind). But they did it to keep the system afloat. I agree with that idea, but unfortunately Obama is so poor an administrator that he may have only put off a depression, not saved us from one.

Not only from China, my friend. When Canada gave money for buyout of bank loans, right after the Minister Flaherty said it wasn't going to be necessary, where do we get the money from?

http://www.wellingtonfund.com/blog/2009/12/10/no-canadian-bank-bailouts-says-who/

There is ony a subtle distinction between injecting capital into a bank and relieving it of assets so that it can avoid a capital injection. Kind of like your Dad temporarily buying your bike from you when you ran out on money in University, and then selling it back to you six months later when you were flush from a summer job.

[dre]

I cannot imagine what they would share, since the Occupiers have some real problems in specifying exactly what their concerns are and what can be done about it. I doubt a longshoremen prevented from earning a days wages would be interested in that sort of vague ideological discussion on the way to work.

Unions exist to gain advantage and particularly financial for their members, first and foremost. How is that different from shareholders in companies, those evil corporations? In recent decades, that reality has been dressed i na veneer of social justice, for causes that their predecessors have already won. It is all about the money, like it or not.

I hope the Occupiers don't get hurt badly by their brothers.

Irrelevent. Of course the occupiers cannot adequately articulate what the real problems and solutions are are, even the worlds top economists cannot agree. The underlying theme though is that the deck is stacked, the cheaters in the game are making out like bandits and not facing any consequences, and the system is corrupt and not worth of trust. And a fairly large majority of people share these concerns.

How is that different from shareholders in companies, those evil corporations

Thats just a silly strawman, and IM not sure why you would use it on me. Corporations are not "evil", and neither are economic "winners" that get rich. The problem is the economic CHEATERS are rewarded even more than most of the winner.

[sharkman]

Plenty of signs that this is coming. For example, let them eat cake. What do you think she meant by that?

Well this is on its way back too. It started with places like Gitmo, indefinite detention without trial. And today we hear about new laws coming into place giving far too much powers to the police and military, indefinite detention and even execution of citizens wihtout trial. Firs they are coming in the US but once it's established there, it will become practice in Canada and other contries as well.

If it isn't already, under the guise of "national security".

http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-must-act-one-day-left-until-american-citize/

Not only from China, my friend. When Canada gave money for buyout of bank loans, right after the Minister Flaherty said it wasn't going to be necessary, where do we get the money from?

http://www.wellingtonfund.com/blog/2009/12/10/no-canadian-bank-bailouts-says-who/

There is ony a subtle distinction between injecting capital into a bank and relieving it of assets so that it can avoid a capital injection. Kind of like your Dad temporarily buying your bike from you when you ran out on money in University, and then selling it back to you six months later when you were flush from a summer job.

I think you are mixing me up with some other poster. I commented in the context of what Obama has done as I was commenting on the American economy. Canada is in much better shape than Obama's US, and I was not commenting on Canada.

As for your Gitmo argument, we have been doing that since WWI I think as it's accepted practice to have Prisioners of War, or POWs.

Edited December 14, 2011 by sharkman

[grogy]

You may be unionized, but it's wholly obvious that you're a bourgeois sympathizer.

o yawn, please tell everyone what garbage degree you got from which garbage university that lead to you working at Wendy's your whole life that made you so pathetically bitter.

[Guest Manny]

As for your Gitmo argument, we have been doing that since WWI I think as it's accepted practice to have Prisioners of War, or POWs.

Those in Gitmo are not prisoners of war. You should be careful what you say. They are not beholden to the Geneva conventions. They can be held indefinitely in a state of limbo. US government reuses to recognize them as prisoners of war which would give them certain rights. Anyway, back to occupy.

The point of Occupy, if there is anything, is to raise awareness of the gross imbalance of wealth and power. That is all they need to do, for now. Raise awareness.