WWWTT Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Before I start on this I should say that we are all not guilty until proven guilty. But I believe this charge refusing to blow is a criminal offence.However I am not sure of the severity in Alberta.And I can't imagine how someone would try entering a plea of not guilty on this case. Here is my prediction. Goldrings political career is gone.There will be a bi-election for his riding which will be easily won by the conservatives. I am not sure how this will hurt the conservative brand across the country. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 First I heard of the charge. Refusing to blow is the same charge anywhere in Canada, a criminal code offence. I have no idea why he would quit over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Before I start on this I should say that we are all not guilty until proven guilty. But I believe this charge refusing to blow is a criminal offence.However I am not sure of the severity in Alberta.And I can't imagine how someone would try entering a plea of not guilty on this case. Here is my prediction. Goldrings political career is gone.There will be a bi-election for his riding which will be easily won by the conservatives. I am not sure how this will hurt the conservative brand across the country. WWWTT Not much, they got rid of the cancer immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilter Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 First I heard of the charge. Refusing to blow is the same charge anywhere in Canada, a criminal code offence. I have no idea why he would quit over it. No idea=---- He'd have a hard time serving his seat from the pokey. It's a criminal offence--- he will be a felon when convicted and if he refused to blow --- he will be convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Unless he is some kind of serial offender, he would have no chance of doing time for refusing to blow, the penalties are the same as if he was driving while over .08. Suspension and fine Other MPs have been charged and convicted for impaired driving, did they quit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shwa Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 I am not sure how this will hurt the conservative brand across the country. Well, to be fair, the CPC got a majority after the while Jaffer fiasco. So no, I don't think it will hurt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Cons aren't so tough on crime so I have a feeling he'll be back Afterall look at the ex criminal advisers Harper hired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Not much, they got rid of the cancer immediately. But will they be able to stop the media covering this story? WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Last I read he left caucus. That doesn't mean he's giving up his seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well, to be fair, the CPC got a majority after the while Jaffer fiasco. So no, I don't think it will hurt them. If I remember correctly all the charges were dropped against Jaffer. Goldring still has a trial that will be covered by the media. And I can't imagine how he would be able to get off?Will he plead not guilty to refusing to blow? Its in my opinion that the conservatives don't have a bottomless bag of "get out of jail free" cards. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Last I read he left caucus. That doesn't mean he's giving up his seat. I am not sure if he can still hold a seat with a criminal record? He is not guilty until proven in court and the media will be all over this one. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well, to be fair, the CPC got a majority after the while Jaffer fiasco. So no, I don't think it will hurt them. you forgot about Guergis as well. Harper doesn't really tolerate shenanigans like that, hence the MP hauling ass out of caucus. Next election he's done. Bye bye political career. I imagine he'll sit as an independent and vote with the tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If I remember correctly all the charges were dropped against Jaffer. Goldring still has a trial that will be covered by the media. And I can't imagine how he would be able to get off?Will he plead not guilty to refusing to blow? Its in my opinion that the conservatives don't have a bottomless bag of "get out of jail free" cards. WWWTT That’s a ridiculous assumption………Were the NDP, 5-6 years later, affected by Svend’s poor judgment? He’s left caucus, if he sorts himself out, he’ll return…… That being said, kind of ironic the Mr Goldring opposed legislation a few years ago that would allow police to screen all drivers with a breathalyser, regardless if police suspected them of being impaired….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 And I can't imagine how he would be able to get off?Will he plead not guilty to refusing to blow? Actually there is a possible scenario. When you blow into a breathalizer you have to blow a certain amount of volume of air for a period of time. It is possible that Goldring was trying to comply with police but couldn't/didn't/was incapable or refused to adequately provide an appropriate sample. Goldring may enter a plea of not guilty and argue that he was willing to provide a sample but it would not register on the breathalizer,or something like that. However I believe the police have more accurate breathalizers at the station and Goldring may have had the option of providing a blood sample. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 That’s a ridiculous assumption………Were the NDP, 5-6 years later, affected by Svend’s poor judgment? He’s left caucus, if he sorts himself out, he’ll return…… That being said, kind of ironic the Mr Goldring opposed legislation a few years ago that would allow police to screen all drivers with a breathalyser, regardless if police suspected them of being impaired….. Wasn't there a severe accident in Alberta recently where several kids on the highschool football team were killed at the hands of an alleged impaired driver? How many kids could have died because of Svends poor judgement? Do you think the conservatives are bulletproof,well we'll soon find out won't we. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Wasn't there a severe accident in Alberta recently where several kids on the highschool football team were killed at the hands of an alleged impaired driver? How many kids could have died because of Svends poor judgement? Do you think the conservatives are bulletproof,well we'll soon find out won't we. WWWTT except gold ring isn't a tory anymore because he left the caucus. THe tories are loyal to the brand above all else, ask Helena Guergis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Matthew Barnaby was caught drinking and driving with a front wheel missing on his Porsche douchebags are everywhere and anyone who drives while drink is a huge douchebag if I were PM I'd ban drivers .12 over the limit from driving ever again and send them to a rehab prison for 5 years if they kill anyone I send them to prison for life People would think twice before they drive drunk ever again Edited December 6, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) Wasn't there a severe accident in Alberta recently where several kids on the highschool football team were killed at the hands of an alleged impaired driver? How many kids could have died because of Svends poor judgement? Do you think the conservatives are bulletproof,well we'll soon find out won't we. WWWTT Hey, if an Opposition Party wants to run with that angle, all the power to them………But, PM Harper’s official spokesperson has already condemned his actions (and he has yet to be convicted and wasn’t even detained), and he's left the party………Like, Svend’s case, this is a non-story, with no political bearing. Edited December 6, 2011 by Derek L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hey, if an Opposition Party wants to run with that angle, all the power to them………But, PM Harper’s official spokesperson has already condemned his actions (and he has yet to be convicted and wasn’t even detained), and he's left the party………Like, Svend’s case, this is a non-story, with no political bearing. His liscence is suspended and his vehicle was towed away from the scene! True he is not guilty until proven. Impared driving is a very powerful sign that someone is an alcoholic. Did Goldring leave the party before he was charged? If he did not then when the police charged him the police had charged a conservative MP! Sure this is an act of one individual but eventually people are going to wonder what kind of people the conservatives are turning out. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 and he has yet to be convicted and wasn’t even detained If this happened to you or I guaranteed we would have spent the night in jail! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If he did not then when the police charged him the police had charged a conservative MP! Sure this is an act of one individual but eventually people are going to wonder what kind of people the conservatives are turning out. WWWTT Vic Toews...cheating on his wife and having an illegitimate baby in the affair..is one of the highest ranking members in Harpers government What about the advisor Harper hired who was guilty of fraud among other things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 His liscence is suspended and his vehicle was towed away from the scene! True he is not guilty until proven. Impared driving is a very powerful sign that someone is an alcoholic. Did Goldring leave the party before he was charged? If he did not then when the police charged him the police had charged a conservative MP! Sure this is an act of one individual but eventually people are going to wonder what kind of people the conservatives are turning out. WWWTT How do you think any of this will hurt the Tories? Do you honestly think that those that voted for him, will all of a sudden, place their future votes somewhere else? Did the NDP lose support in Svend’s riding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Vic Toews...cheating on his wife and having an illegitimate baby in the affair..is one of the highest ranking members in Harpers government What about the advisor Harper hired who was guilty of fraud among other things? Ya actually it seems the conservatives can't go more than a month without one of their MP's/ministers making a gaff. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If this happened to you or I guaranteed we would have spent the night in jail! WWWTT Never would, I don’t drink and drive………But, people here (BC) can and will get 24hr roadside suspensions……..I honestly don’t know what police enforcement is like in Alberta, and what happened to Mr Goldring…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Ya actually it seems the conservatives can't go more than a month without one of their MP's/ministers making a gaff. WWWTT I would be very surprised if any of the Opposition parties run with it……..Those that live in glass houses…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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