Wild Bill Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 We've had a thread about a Tory MP not knowing the science behind Ozone and the Ozone Layer. It seems with some MPs in Opposition we have an even more basic problem - they don't even know the national anthem, in English OR French! Here's the link: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Politics/20111123/ndp-mps-sing-the-national-anthem-111123/ "Video of two New Democrat MPs apparently needing to consult a lyrics sheet for O Canada has raised a lot of eyebrows, and triggered a backlash from NDP members." "The NDP's national director said not every MP knows the anthem in Canada's two official languages, but St-Denis and Sellah appear to consult the lyrics sheet for both." I realize that many Quebec NDP MPs are new but I didn't realize they were THAT new! Perhaps they were former separatistes. Whatever! They'll still get their $154,000 per yr pay. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Not knowing the anthem to the country you are elected to serve is pretty unforgivable reminds me of a Corner Gas episode where Brent made Oscar think he was American but at the end Brent did not know himself all of the Canadian anthem in their defence I doubt many Canadians know it in french other than the 8 million french speaking Canadians funny how you say tory mp and not tory environment minister Edited November 24, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Posted November 24, 2011 funny how you say tory mp and not tory environment minister Hey, I don't bother to remember if any of them are ministers of this or that, at least, not all the time. They're just figureheads anyway so what does it matter? Most of the time the actual crafter of a new program is some civil serpent advisor. You might want to google about who REALLY crafted and implemented our national health care system! You could start here: http://www.canada.com/news/Former+Liberal+mandarin+Kent+dies/5722174/story.html Oddly enough it was another Kent, Tom Kent who was a powerful aide to the Liberals of the Pearson era and later. Pearson took the credit of course but it was Kent who had the idea, did all the work and pushed it through. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Liberals, and Cons have pretty bad environmental records so neither parties get credit for anything Quote
WWWTT Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Whats wrong with a cheat sheet? Who says they even have to sing the anthem? Is there a particular key they must sing it in,perhaps B#(sharp)? Technically all you have to do is stand at attention as far as I know. Actually I am happy to see them trying to learn. You know what that word means WB,try? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Tilter Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Not knowing the anthem to the country you are elected to serve is pretty unforgivable reminds me of a Corner Gas episode where Brent made Oscar think he was American but at the end Brent did not know himself all of the Canadian anthem in their defence I doubt many Canadians know it in french other than the 8 million french speaking Canadians funny how you say tory mp and not tory environment minister The MPs are sitting in the House of Commons NOT the National Assembly or whatever bogus name Que has for it's Provincial Legislature. It is shameful that they don't know our national anthem in English. It is treasonous that they don't even know it in French. Quote
Tilter Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Whats wrong with a cheat sheet? Who says they even have to sing the anthem? Is there a particular key they must sing it in,perhaps B#(sharp)? Technically all you have to do is stand at attention as far as I know. Actually I am happy to see them trying to learn. You know what that word means WB,try? WWWTT Isn't a blood test a real problem for you---- All that orange goo coming out of your veins must make the nurse think she's testing a pumpkin. You'd defend the NDPs who were trying to take over the HOC with guns----ooops- NDPeers don't use guns-- OK then, with swords. Edited November 24, 2011 by Tilter Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Maybe they only know Carolyn Bennett's version of "O Canada." Quote
Topaz Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 First of all, the newly elected MPs, if they be from Quebec or else where, who didn't have anything to do with politics before, why would they know O Canada in French or English? How many newly English MP's can sing O Canada in French? Just look at the French MP's on the Tory side. When they try to speak English, their accent is so heavy, it sounds like they have a mouthful of something else in their mouth, so they speak their first language, french. Will the new AG be able to sing O Canada is french too? Quote
Evening Star Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I was completely ready to agree with Bill until I watched the video. The version they were singing alternates French and English verses. I know the anthem by heart in both languages but I would want definitely want a lyric sheet if I had to switch back and forth. Besides, it's easy to get nervous when you're new at work, in front of people and cameras, especially if you're not a singer! I always bring notes to refer to when I'm teaching, no matter how well I know what I'm talking about. Edited November 24, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
Guest Manny Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 There are so many versions, I don't know the words to the stupid song anymore. And I'm sure I'm not alone there, amongst everyday Canadians. Let's see, there was the English version I knew as a kid. Then there's a French version. Then there's a version in which some lines are in English, some in French. Then they changed part of the lyrics to "From far and wide...". Now they want to change the part "In all the SONS command". Too much pandering and political correct BS has made us an entire NATION that does not know its own anthem. Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Posted November 24, 2011 First of all, the newly elected MPs, if they be from Quebec or else where, who didn't have anything to do with politics before, why would they know O Canada in French or English? How many newly English MP's can sing O Canada in French? Just look at the French MP's on the Tory side. When they try to speak English, their accent is so heavy, it sounds like they have a mouthful of something else in their mouth, so they speak their first language, french. Will the new AG be able to sing O Canada is french too? Topaz, every Canadian should know the anthem in either English or French. However, if you're an MP, supposedly representing ordinary citizens in Parliament, it is really lame if you don't even know our anthem in your own language! These were french MPs and they didn't know the anthem in french! How on earth can you excuse them? If they were Anglo Tory MPs you would have wanted to hang them! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Wild Bill Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Posted November 24, 2011 There are so many versions, I don't know the words to the stupid song anymore. And I'm sure I'm not alone there, amongst everyday Canadians. Let's see, there was the English version I knew as a kid. Then there's a French version. Then there's a version in which some lines are in English, some in French. Then they changed part of the lyrics to "From far and wide...". Now they want to change the part "In all the SONS command". Too much pandering and political correct BS has made us an entire NATION that does not know its own anthem. This is a good point Manny but I'm not so sure the French version has been changed as often as the English one. I do agree that the English one has brought confusion upon itself. It's all very well to expect a citizen to make the effort but for some of us older folks who have been busy living our lives we may not even have known there WERE changes! There's not nearly as many opportunities to sing the anthem in public anymore.There was a time when the audience sang before every movie in a theatre. Still, those Quebec MPs seemed fairly young to me. Certainly not as old as the folks I'm talking about. I don't believe there have been many changes in their lifetime! So they have no excuse! I will confess, their ignorance is not that big a deal in itself. They are politicians, after all. I started this thread mainly to illustrate the hypocracy of many NDP supporters, who would forgive their own for not knowing the time of day while expecting Tory MPs to know off the top of their head the frequency of radio emissions from the star Regulus! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
tducey82 Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 They should know it in at least 1 of the languages. I mean they're representing their riding and country as a MP, it's pretty unforgivable IMO that they don't know the anthem. Quote
Evening Star Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Did you even watch the video? It was the bilingual version that switches languages. That's much harder to remember than remembering either the English or French version. Besides, they didn't even seem to be making mistakes or failing to participate. They were just referring to printed lyrics. It's pretty normal to look at notes if you have them on you. This does not seem at all comparable to me to expecting the Minister of the Environment to answer a question about what ozone is (which also does not strike me as the equivalent of knowing "the frequency of radio emissions from the star Regulus".) Quote
WWWTT Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 We've had a thread about a Tory MP not knowing the science behind Ozone and the Ozone Layer. It seems with some MPs in Opposition we have an even more basic problem - they don't even know the national anthem, in English OR French! When you vote do you vote for the candidate that can sing Oh Canada the best? Or has this link you provided now become a form of "Canadian Idol"? What if you MP has a speech impediment or possibly some other disability but can still successfully communicate? Are they now incapable to be an MP because they wouldn't be able to sing the national anthem to your liking? What if you have laryngitis,cough or soar throat? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wild Bill Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Posted November 24, 2011 When you vote do you vote for the candidate that can sing Oh Canada the best? Or has this link you provided now become a form of "Canadian Idol"? What if you MP has a speech impediment or possibly some other disability but can still successfully communicate? Are they now incapable to be an MP because they wouldn't be able to sing the national anthem to your liking? What if you have laryngitis,cough or soar throat? WWWTT Sorry! I didn't know that these specific Quebec MPs had speech impediments, laryngitis, coughs and sore throats! Obviously I must forgive them. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
WWWTT Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Sorry! I didn't know that these specific Quebec MPs had speech impediments, laryngitis, coughs and sore throats! Obviously I must forgive them. Well if you are going to grant more merit for the ability for an elected MP to sing a song as opposed to a cabinet minister having an understanding of the portfolia they are managing then maybe you should consider these things. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest Manny Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 Well if you are going to grant more merit for the ability for an elected MP to sing a song as opposed to a cabinet minister having an understanding of the portfolia they are managing then maybe you should consider these things. WWWTT zing... Quote
Wild Bill Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Posted November 24, 2011 Well if you are going to grant more merit for the ability for an elected MP to sing a song as opposed to a cabinet minister having an understanding of the portfolia they are managing then maybe you should consider these things. WWWTT And that's all the national anthem is to you? A song? I'm afraid we don't share the same values. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) you are reaching Bill, being the environment minister and not knowing what Ozone means is 10 times worse than not knowing the alternating version of the english / french national anthem It just proves that the tories put their shills in for ideological purposes they don't really give a shit about the environment Edited November 24, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
olp1fan Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 I'm afraid we don't share the same values. Yeah, I guess you don't share the same values as us lefties Education & transparency Quote
Guest Manny Posted November 24, 2011 Report Posted November 24, 2011 And that's all the national anthem is to you? A song? I'm afraid we don't share the same values. Somebody painted a sign in Tyendinaga, says "Oh Canada, YOUR home on NATIVE land!" Now there's a nicely edited version Quote
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