Canada at war with Iran

[Argus]

Actually if the US attacks Iran first then I believe Iran would be justified in defending itself.If the attack came from Turkey then would Canada be obligated to defend another NATO country that "started" war?

WWWTT

I don't think Turkey would need our help. :-)

[Wild Bill]

I don't think Turkey would need our help. :-)

Quite right, Argus! Seems a lot of folks don't realize that Canada is "the little guy" as far as military might in NATO.

Compared to Turkey, we'd only get in the way!

[olp1fan]

Quite right, Argus! Seems a lot of folks don't realize that Canada is "the little guy" as far as military might in NATO.

Compared to Turkey, we'd only get in the way!

we overachieved in Libya

[WWWTT]

I don't think Turkey would need our help. :-)

Ok then good!

I think you should be reffering your comment to Derek L

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[Tilter]

Actually if the US attacks Iran first then I believe Iran would be justified in defending itself.If the attack came from Turkey then would Canada be obligated to defend another NATO country that "started" war?

How deep. ANY attacked nation is justified in defending itself.

If the US attacked Iran it wouldn't need Canada's help.

Turkey, on the other hand would likely need help from anyone it could get. It has nowhere near the number of soldiers, tanks, planes or military might that Iran has amassed.

[WWWTT]

How deep. ANY attacked nation is justified in defending itself.

If the US attacked Iran it wouldn't need Canada's help.

Turkey, on the other hand would likely need help from anyone it could get. It has nowhere near the number of soldiers, tanks, planes or military might that Iran has amassed.

What are you talking about?

If Turkey attacked Iran then they forfeit any help from Canada.

If Turkey accomadates/helps the US attack Iran then they also forfeit militery aid from Canada.

However if Iran attacked Turkey?Thats something totally different!

WWWTT

[Wild Bill]

we overachieved in Libya

Yes, we did! Only because, as usual, we sent a good portion of our total capability. Most European members of NATO sent nothing or only a token force.

Why? Because they're cheap!

That still doesn't mean they don't have a lot more than us. It just means that most of the time they don't deploy it.

There have been a number of threads on this before. If you're truly interested, you can do your own googling. However, it's obvious what you will find.

Anyone with common sense should have already figured this out for themselves. Whenever our politicians talk about our military it's always about us having the bravest and the best trained. This might well be true and as a patriotic Canadian I would prefer to believe it. Still, it is NEVER about having the most or the best equipped!

When politicians avoid mentioning something it's usually pretty obvious why.

[olp1fan]

i think anytime canada enters a conflict we end up doing more than what should be expected of us

and we do it very well

[Guest Derek L]

How deep. ANY attacked nation is justified in defending itself.

If the US attacked Iran it wouldn't need Canada's help.

Turkey, on the other hand would likely need help from anyone it could get. It has nowhere near the number of soldiers, tanks, planes or military might that Iran has amassed.

The Turks wouldn’t need NATO’s help per say, they have hundreds of modern and modernized (By the Israelis) tanks, jets etc…not to mention a very large US airbase………In my opinion, in any war with Iran, you’d see further NATO allied aircraft based in Turkey, not to mention shared NATO assets such as AWACS…….The Turkish army, during the cold war, was intended (With the help of the Greeks) to take on Soviet army groups alone…..They could handle Iran and Syria together, on their own, if need be……Still nothing says other NATO members, including us, shouldn’t honour our commitments, especially in the case of Turkey, who’s been somewhat muted during the entire “showdown” with Iran.

What I’d suspect, based on an educated opinion, any Canadian contribution would mimic the one to Libya, with namely Frigates and Destroyers in the Persian Gulf escorting tankers, with CP-140s providing surveillance, Hornets CAP and possibly strike packages, with all the associated support aircraft.

[William Ashley]

Tory MP Bernard Jenkin said in the Commonsthe attacks against the embassy showed the need to take off the "rose-tinted spectacles" and consider military action after ten years of failed diplomacy:

This as Britain boots all Iranian diplomatic staff from the UK, as less than two months remain before Busherh goes online.

Bombing an active nuclear reactor is a little different than a non active reactor.

In light of yesterday's events in Tehran, Foreign Minister (Guido) Westerwelle decided that the German ambassador in Iran should be recalled to Berlin for consultations.

Any other staff from NATO states left?

13.46 All UK based staff have now left Tehran, Hague announces.

does canada have anyone there?

Edited November 30, 2011 by William Ashley

[olp1fan]

does canada have anyone there?

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/iran/index.aspx?view=d

In 1996, bilateral relations between Canada and the Islamic Republic of Iran were such that the two countries agreed to exchange Ambassadors. However, since late 2007 both countries have reduced their representation in each other's capital to the Chargé level. Given ongoing concerns, Canadian political and economic relations with Iran have been governed by the Controlled Engagement Policy.

[Guest Derek L]

This as Britain boots all Iranian diplomatic staff from the UK, as less than two months remain before Busherh goes online.

Bombing an active nuclear reactor is a little different than a non active reactor.

Any other staff from NATO states left?

does canada have anyone there?

I've read Norway is leaving and the Swedes are likely to follow.......Even the Chinese condemned the assault on the embassy……..You start attacking the embassies, you are setting the precedent, and other nations either indifferent or supportive of your cause/plight will remove themselves from the equation………Not a smart move by Iran, they’re clearly painting themselves into a corner…..This is so crazy, I wonder if this was even sponsored by their government and not some breakaway faction?

[WWWTT]

I've read Norway is leaving and the Swedes are likely to follow.......Even the Chinese condemned the assault on the embassy……..You start attacking the embassies, you are setting the precedent, and other nations either indifferent or supportive of your cause/plight will remove themselves from the equation………Not a smart move by Iran, they’re clearly painting themselves into a corner…..This is so crazy, I wonder if this was even sponsored by their government and not some breakaway faction?

Agreed.

Hopefully the Iranian government will regain controll.

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[Guest Derek L]

Agreed.

Hopefully the Iranian government will regain controll.

WWWTT

Don’t get me wrong, I tend to think the Iranian leadership is full of bat stuffing, but in this instance, I don’t see what they hope to gain, hence my questioning of the attack itself. Perhaps they’re not in control, which is an even scarier proposition.

[WWWTT]

Don’t get me wrong, I tend to think the Iranian leadership is full of bat stuffing, but in this instance, I don’t see what they hope to gain, hence my questioning of the attack itself. Perhaps they’re not in control, which is an even scarier proposition.

You don't have to go all the way to Iran to find bat. stuffing!

There is a possibility there are spies infiltrated deep into their country(I believe this has happened before).

Anyways embassies are the diplomats venue and diplomacy should always be the pinacle of focus.

WWWTT

[Guest Derek L]

You don't have to go all the way to Iran to find bat. stuffing!

Indeed, One person’s bat stuffing, is another person’s fertilizer mind you

There is a possibility there are spies infiltrated deep into their country(I believe this has happened before).

I’d almost guarantee that, I’d suggest though, the majority of such folks pray from the Siddur, not the King James bible.

Anyways embassies are the diplomats venue and diplomacy should always be the pinacle of focus.

WWWTT

Agreed 100%, as I've said, I don't see what a country on the verge of war hopes to gain by this…….doesn’t really help their position, and I’d suggest, whatever your viewpoint, will be used as further fuel on the fire for war.

[Hudson Jones]

Turkey would never attack Iran and Iran would never attack Turkey. It's ridiculous to take a quote from a 'senior military official' seriously.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Hudson Jones

[WWWTT]

Agreed 100%, as I've said, I don't see what a country on the verge of war hopes to gain by this…….doesn’t really help their position, and I’d suggest, whatever your viewpoint, will be used as further fuel on the fire for war.

Not if it was the western spies responsible for the attacks on the embassy

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[Guest Derek L]

Turkey would never attack Iran and Iran would never attack Turkey. It's ridiculous to take a quote from a 'senior military official' seriously.

Why's that so ridiculous? I'm a simple person, I tend to take things at face value, I believe people when they say something (or have been reported to say) until I’m given reason to doubt….What's your take?

[Guest Derek L]

Not if it was the western spies responsible for the attacks on the embassy

WWWTT

You’re suggesting a Western government was responsible for the British Embassy attack? What leads you to that conclusion? (Please don’t say Alex Jones)

Edited December 1, 2011 by Derek L

[Argus]

Don’t get me wrong, I tend to think the Iranian leadership is full of bat stuffing, but in this instance, I don’t see what they hope to gain, hence my questioning of the attack itself. Perhaps they’re not in control, which is an even scarier proposition.

What they hope to gain? Don't get into the habit of thinking our standards of rational behavior are to be found in the likes of Iran. They're barely half a notch up from the banana republic dictators of the sixties and seventies. Rationality is not their forte'.

Might just as well ask what Putin thinks he can gain with all his chest thumping over the American missile shield.

[Guest Derek L]

What they hope to gain? Don't get into the habit of thinking our standards of rational behavior are to be found in the likes of Iran. They're barely half a notch up from the banana republic dictators of the sixties and seventies. Rationality is not their forte'.

Might just as well ask what Putin thinks he can gain with all his chest thumping over the American missile shield.

Perhaps, but if this action was by design from the Iranian government, it further compounds the rational behind not allowing them to get nuclear weapons.

[Tilter]

Not if it was the western spies responsible for the attacks on the embassy

WWWTT

you *&^%*^$&%^ IDIOT

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE ABDUCTED BY ALIENS????

And the CIA hired those Arabs to fly the planes into the Twin Towers.

Any other nutty theories?

Oh yeah--- peanut butter causes toe cancer.

[Guest Derek L]

Image captures Iran military base explosion damage

Some buildings at the Revolutionary Guards base seem to have been completely destroyed in the explosion.

The 12 November blast killed 17 soldiers and has been widely blamed in Iran on foreign intelligence services.

On Monday, another in a series of unexplained explosions was reported in central Isfahan province.

I suppose Iran should implement further safe work practices at their military installations..........

[olp1fan]

You’re suggesting a Western government was responsible for the British Embassy attack? What leads you to that conclusion? (Please don’t say Alex Jones)

anything is possible really, false flag events do occur