Mayor Ford calls 911 on CBC comedians

[cybercoma]

Not a word of Ford being a sissy for calling 911 because of a woman coming to his door.

Yeah. I can totally see the Police Chief calling the short-fused, jerk that signs his budget a sissy for calling 911.

[cybercoma]

Seems to me that almost all of the attacks of Ford in this thread are ad hominem distractions " from the concrete issues at hand"!

It's not an ad hominem when the entire essence of the argument is that Rob Ford has terrible character.

[BubberMiley]

Gotta love it when a thread full of name callers complains about you to the moderators.

The thread reported you to the moderators? I didn't know they could do that.

[Wild Bill]

It's not an ad hominem when the entire essence of the argument is that Rob Ford has terrible character.

So what? ALL politicians have terrible character! After enduring scumbags like Mulroney and Chretien you think Ford's character is important?

What's important is what they DO from their elected office! I thought the issues were what Ford has been doing, with his budget cuts and whatnot. Should we waste our time on how he reacted to some CBC self-righteous self-described comedians?

Give yourself a shake and come back to earth, CC! Life's too short!

[Guest American Woman]

The way For is, you know damn well if he could rub their noses in it he would. Since he hasn't ordered the tapes released to the media and has a track-record of being a compulsive liar, one can pretty easily connect the dots.

He could be guilty, but then perhaps he hasn't released the tapes to the media because he doesn't want a tape of him using the F-word all over the internet. Ford has admitted to that, and if he has the police chief in his pocket, saying whatever he wants him to say, why admit that he lost his cool to the point that he did say "f*ck?"

But really, his reaction on the 9-11 call is a different issue from whether or not he had the right to call the police when someone was on his property, interfering with his ability to get in his car and leave. As shown in the tape, he clearly asks if he can get in his car several times, and from what's been reported, his five year old child was upset.

So whether "22 Minutes" had the right to be in his face on his property interfering with his ability to get in his car and leave with his child - after he clearly asked if he could get in his car, and his demeanor during the 9-11 call, are two different issues. I think it's without a doubt wrong for the media to intrude on people's private property to get in their face. That goes for anyone who is in the limelight for whatever reason.

But I can't see where anonymous sources would be more reliable than the police chief's statement. If Ford is as controversial as reported, I'm guessing a couple of cops might be more than happy to "anonymously" make him look bad, too. Seems just as plausible as the police chief covering for him.

[BubberMiley]

But I can't see where anonymous sources would be more reliable than the police chief's statement. If Ford is as controversial as reported, I'm guessing a couple of cops might be more than happy to "anonymously" make him look bad, too. Seems just as plausible as the police chief covering for him.

Absolutely. We won't know for certain what happened until we hear the tapes. So long as they are kept secret, there will be questions.

Other than the facts that are clear from what we know, like the fact that Ford lied that it was dark. There are no magical camera lenses that create daylight, despite the best hopes of some on this board. There are night vision lenses, but they don't make it look like 10 in the morning. He also lied that he was "attacked" as we can see in the video. It's even questionable that he felt threatened, given the grin on his face.

But in any case, it's no big deal. Though I think the police chief should clarify that it's not really appropriate to use 911 out of spite and anger.

[Guest American Woman]

Absolutely. We won't know for certain what happened until we hear the tapes. So long as they are kept secret, there will be questions.

That's right, we don't know; but what's interesting is that you go on to claim your perception as "fact" even as you acknowledge this.

Other than the facts that are clear from what we know, like the fact that Ford lied that it was dark. There are no magical camera lenses that create daylight, despite the best hopes of some on this board. There are night vision lenses, but they don't make it look like 10 in the morning.

It was "around 8:00," according to the article in the opening post, and out of curiosity, I checked the weather channel for the "sunrise" time in Toronto these days - 7:50am, ie: around 8:am, so it was dawn, which can be described as 'still dark' or 'not light yet.' Certainly it's not as light as it is at 10:00 in the morning, as you seem to think the videos indicated.

He also lied that he was "attacked" as we can see in the video.

The definition of "attack" includes "aggression." The "Warrior Princess" most definitely was aggressive in her approach. You yourself described it as an "ambush."

am·bush (mbsh)

n.

1. The act of lying in wait to attack by surprise.

2. A sudden attack made from a concealed position.

3.

a. Those hiding in order to attack by surprise.

b. The hiding place used for this.

4. A hidden peril or trap.

tr.v. am·bushed, am·bush·ing, am·bush·es

To attack from a concealed position.

It's even questionable that he felt threatened, given the grin on his face.

His "grin" looks rather more like a grimace to me. Not fear, but one can feel threatened in ways other than physical. The fact that he asked her 3 or 4 times if he could get in his car and she didn't let up but continued to be in his face, while his child was there and apparently frightened, could be perceived as a threat by the person involved.

So what you claim as "lies," is simply your perception of what happened - no more, no less.

But in any case, it's no big deal. Though I think the police chief should clarify that it's not really appropriate to use 911 out of spite and anger.

It's your opinion that he called 9-11 out of spite and anger; the Police Chief apparently doesn't share your point of view.

[BubberMiley]

That's right, we don't know; but what's interesting is that you go on to claim your perception as "fact" even as you acknowledge this.

No, I claim my perception is my perception. I also think my opinion is true. Otherwise it wouldn't be my opinion. As for definitions, "ambush" is a term from war, but it can also be conducted through non-violent means, such as a 60 Minutes interview or a comedy sketch.

Glad to help you out with understanding basic terms and how they work.

[cybercoma]

Well, there you have it. The definition of "ambush" means to attack, so the 60 year old woman attacked him. And it might have been dark or it might have been light... we just. don't. know.

[Guest American Woman]

No, I claim my perception is my perception. I also think my opinion is true. Otherwise it wouldn't be my opinion.

Yet you state your perception as fact; I quote: "Other than the facts that are clear from what we know..." as you go on to state your perceptions. Lesson for the day: "perception" is not synonymous with "fact."

As for definitions, "ambush" is a term from war, but it can also be conducted through non-violent means, such as a 60 Minutes interview or a comedy sketch.

Glad to help you out with understanding basic terms and how they work.

I didn't see "war" anywhere in that definition, so I understand just how words work. Thanks for your attempt to help just the same, but you best help yourself before attempting to help others.

[Guest American Woman]

Well, there you have it. The definition of "ambush" means to attack, so the 60 year old woman attacked him. And it might have been dark or it might have been light... we just. don't. know.

Some of us do, others don't. What we do know is it was sunrise, not the light of day. If you find that confusing ..... I'm not surprised.

Now. Do you have anything intelligent to add? Or is this it?

[cybercoma]

Are you saying there wasn't daylight out or that you don't know? I wish you would stick to one thing. It makes it hard to sarcastically agree with you if you keep shifting the goalposts.

[Guest American Woman]

Are you saying there wasn't daylight out or that you don't know? I wish you would stick to one thing. It makes it hard to sarcastically agree with you if you keep shifting the goalposts.

Are you capable of responding with anything even remotely intelligent/relevant? Or are you really as ignorant as you appear to be? I'd really like to know before wasting any more time with you ..............

[cybercoma]

Are you capable of responding with anything even remotely intelligent/relevant? Or are you really as ignorant as you appear to be? I'd really like to know before wasting any more time with you ..............

If your posts are the benchmark for intellect and relevancy, then I'm the exact opposite of intelligent and relevant.

[Guest American Woman]

If your posts are the benchmark for intellect and relevancy, then I'm the exact opposite of intelligent and relevant.

Seriously. You seem to be completely incapable of carrying on anything close to an intelligent, adult, civil discussion. You are one of the most ignorant people I've ever tried to carry on a discussion with, and I am done trying. I'll comment on your posts as I deem necessary to the discussion, but I bid you ado. I'm no longer wasting my time with you.

[BubberMiley]

Yet you state your perception as fact; I quote: "Other than the facts that are clear from what we know..." as you go on to state your perceptions. Lesson for the day: "perception" is not synonymous with "fact."

Sorry. I meant "the facts that are clear from what every reasonable person can see." You know, like the fact that it was daylight.

[cybercoma]

Sorry. I meant "the facts that are clear from what every reasonable person can see." You know, like the fact that it was daylight.

...or the fact that his daughter wasn't there.

...or the fact that he wasn't attacked.

...or the fact that Mary Walsh didn't shout, "We've got you, Rob Ford!!!"

...or the fact that they didn't keep him from leaving.

...or the fact that he has a history of lying to the press.

...or my opinion that he's using a technique called "minimizing" when he says he dropped an f-bomb, but that's because he was frustrated; who wouldn't? This is a technique of admitting to a lesser wrong to make it look like you would admit to the bigger wrong if it were trure. That's not the case. It's another form of lying and people do it in court and to the police all the time.

Edited October 31, 2011 by cybercoma

[cybercoma]

Oh and as far as Bill Blair's credibility goes:

Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair has issued a public apology to Adam Nobody, the G20 protester at the centre of a YouTube video that ignited controversy earlier this week.

Blair, who suggested Monday that Nobody was armed and violent, conceded there was no evidence that the 27-year-old was either at the time of his arrest.

http://www.thestar.com/news/torontog20summit/article/901332--chief-blair-apologizes-to-g20-protester-at-centre-of-youtube-video

If he lies about things that important, why wouldn't he lie about the tapes? Blair's statements mean absolutely nothing. The only thing that means anything is the tapes. And the fact that Rob Ford won't release them speaks volumes. If he had the opportunity to make CBC look bad and prove his detractors wrong, he would without hesitation.

[capricorn]

If he had the opportunity to make CBC look bad and prove his detractors wrong, he would without hesitation.

IMO what is more important to Ford than taking on the CBC or people that hate him is his working relationship with Chief Blair and the welfare of the City. Maybe he thinks steps to clear his name would end up dragging the police services into the picture and that would cause more harm than good. Chief Blair said the matter is closed and that appears to be good enough for him.

[mentalfloss]

Olbermann dubs Ford ‘worst person in the world’

If you ask Keith Olbermann, Rob Ford is the worst person in the world.

Toronto’s mayor was featured in Olbermann’s Worst Persons segment of his Countdown program Friday for his behaviour when he called 911 after his encounter with This Hour has 22 Minutes’ Mary Walsh.

“The new conservative executive (in Toronto) has had a rough start but never was it rougher than Monday,” the political pundit said.

Early Monday morning Ford was approached by Walsh, in character as Marg Delahunty, on the driveway of his Etobicoke home. Ford then called 911.

The CBC, citing anonymous police sources, reported that Ford said, “You ... bitches! Don't you f---ing know? I'm Rob f---ing Ford, the mayor of this city!”

Police Chief Bill Blair has since said that these reports are inaccurate, and that Ford never used the word “bitches.”

Olbermann read all but the first remark on-air as he railed against Ford and named him the worst person in the world, edging out Glenn Beck.

“Toronto’s Rob effing Ford The mayor of his effing city. Today’s effing worst person in the effing world,” said Olbermann in conclusion.

Ford, who is now in Guadalajara, Mexico, for the closing ceremonies of the Pan Am Games, could not be reached for comment.

http://www.thestar.com/article/1078201--olbermann-dubs-ford-worst-person-in-the-world#article

[cybercoma]

I saw that article and chose to ignore it. I mean, I get that Olbermann doesn't actually think Ford is the worst person in the world, but this kind of hyperbole draws attention away from the actual issues.

[capricorn]

If you ask Keith Olbermann, Rob Ford is the worst person in the world.

Olbermann describes Walsh as wearing a "red ballroom gown". Olbermann obviously didn't see the video clip and used the incident to fill in available air time.

[WWWTT]

I saw that article and chose to ignore it. I mean, I get that Olbermann doesn't actually think Ford is the worst person in the world, but this kind of hyperbole draws attention away from the actual issues.

That depends on your perspective.

Olbemann I believe considers himself somewhat of a comedian.

And he is sticking up for other comedians!

ROB Fords actions may be viewed as an over the top attack on those who have choosen to make a life long career in comedy.

Keep in mind that many of the best comedians in the world are Canadian!

This is a fact!

Many around the world see Canada as the comedy capital of the world!

It was inevitable that eventually other comedians are going to defend Mary Walsh and start taking jabs at Ford.

Actually I can say that Rob Ford made an ugly attack on one of Canadas finest institutions-Comedy!

And that makes him un-Canadian!

WWWTT

[mentalfloss]

I disagree.

Rob Ford has provided some excellent comedy for us, and will most likely continue to produce AAA material for the rest of his term.

[Wild Bill]

That depends on your perspective.

Actually I can say that Rob Ford made an ugly attack on one of Canadas finest institutions-Comedy!

And that makes him un-Canadian!

WWWTT

Mary Walsh has always mixed her leftwing politics into her comedy, from back in the early days of "This Hour has 22 Minutes". Most times it was funny but once in a while she obviously let her own politics colour the humour, to the point where ONLY other lefties would find it funny! She would mock the man for being a rightwinger and not for anything he may have done.

The other members of the troupe didn't seem to do do that. You couldn't really tell their personal politics 'cuz they mocked EVERYBODY equally!

I could never say the same for Mary Walsh.