cybercoma Posted October 14, 2011 Report Posted October 14, 2011 The people that are adamantly protecting her sound just as absurd as those adamantly criticizing her. We really don't have enough information to make a judgment either way. Quote
capricorn Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 We really don't have enough information to make a judgment either way. Agreed. The matter is in the Ethics Commissioner's hands now. --- --- To date, the Conservatives are leading in public opinion by 10%. On the whole the opposition parties are having difficulty scoring points against the Conservatives on the policy front. It's no surprise they're aiming to narrow that margin by trying to unearth scandals. The Conservatives would do the same if they were in opposition. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Haven't read the whole thread, but so far there is no evidence to support any breach of ethics, and yes it is smelly. It's smelly because of the timing (union/striking)and has anyone asked how the NDP obtained personal flight information and have they mentioned that this info was obviously obtained illegally. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
olp1fan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) Haven't read the whole thread, but so far there is no evidence to support any breach of ethics, and yes it is smelly. It's smelly because of the timing (union/striking)and has anyone asked how the NDP obtained personal flight information and have they mentioned that this info was obviously obtained illegally. whats smelly is union busting...what do you think the unions supposed to do? take it lying down? Hell no, you get up and you get back at the people who are trying to screw you Harper has no business in the affairs of a private company but doesn't seem like that matters to you Edited October 15, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
cybercoma Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Would they get involved in a labour dispute at WestJet or Porter? I think we all know they wouldn't. Quote
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 whats smelly is union busting...what do you think the unions supposed to do? take it lying down? Hell no, you get up and you get back at the people who are trying to screw you Harper has no business in the affairs of a private company but doesn't seem like that matters to you They don't have a right to obtain personal information illegally in order to disseminate it to the NDP, neither should the NDP be in receipt of stolen property. The gov't has a right to protect commerce and the economical repercussions from such a strike - so yes it doesn't matter to me that they are 'union busting' in this respect. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Shwa Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 ...and have they mentioned that this info was obviously obtained illegally. How so? Quote
cybercoma Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 The gov't has a right to protect commerce and the economical repercussions from such a strike - so yes it doesn't matter to me that they are 'union busting' in this respect. That argument could be made for any labour action. What makes it the government's right to protect commerce? Why isn't it the government's right to protect workers? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 She sounded guilty to me when I saw her talking about it, no one stammers like that without hiding something She enjoys the idea and the feel of luxury - this pleasure can blind someone to duty. Of course she stammered - because she was embarassed that she had forgotten the first rule of service - that you as a public offical in a domocratic society are a SERVANT - Not a British Lord gone bad from some long lost era. Quote
punked Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 They don't have a right to obtain personal information illegally in order to disseminate it to the NDP, neither should the NDP be in receipt of stolen property. The gov't has a right to protect commerce and the economical repercussions from such a strike - so yes it doesn't matter to me that they are 'union busting' in this respect. Leave it scribblet to make things up, post them, and then agree with himself. Seriously CITATION PLEASE!!!! Quote
olp1fan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) They don't have a right to obtain personal information illegally in order to disseminate it to the NDP, neither should the NDP be in receipt of stolen property. The gov't has a right to protect commerce and the economical repercussions from such a strike - so yes it doesn't matter to me that they are 'union busting' in this respect. It violates the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to block a strike by private company employees I guess the Supreme Court is gonna have to bitch slap Harper once again Edited October 15, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) Leave it scribblet to make things up, post them, and then agree with himself. Seriously CITATION PLEASE!!!! Leave it to punked to make an unfounded accusations and a personal attack. So the union or a union employee actually has the right to take the personal information for a passenger and disseminate it to a political party - really I guess that's why A/C is looking into the breach of security. Regardless of a charter challenge, I expect the gov't to step in when necessary to protect us. And you are really asking for a cite confirming that the gov't actually has a responsibility to protect the economy and the people - Actually, the SC (majority) did rule that in one case, that freedom of association does not guarantee the right to strike or bargain collectively. why Minister Rait is legally correct IMO they are morally right also Edited October 15, 2011 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
punked Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Leave it to punked to make an unfounded accusations and a personal attack. So the union or a union employee actually has the right to take the personal information for a passenger and disseminate it to a political party - really I guess that's why A/C is looking into the breach of security. Regardless of a charter challenge, I expect the gov't to step in when necessary to protect us. And you are really asking for a cite confirming that the gov't actually has a responsibility to protect the economy and the people - Actually, the SC (majority) did rule that in one case, that freedom of association does not guarantee the right to strike or bargain collectively. why Minister Rait is legally correct IMO they are morally right also You are making up how this information got out. That was the point all along. I ASK AGAIN CITATION PLEASE! How did the information get out? Right now all I see is you making stuff up and posting it as fact. Quote
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) I don't have to provide you with didley squat - if there was no breach of privacy then why is Air Canada investigating that "certain employees improperly accessed customer files" - and that's not illegal - sure. A/C can't discuss more because of privacy issues. Just because you don't like the fact that a union employee has done this and given out this information in order to smear the Minister, doesn't make it untrue. There needs to be an inquiry into how NDP obtained information to which they were never entitled. Edited October 15, 2011 by scribblet Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 It appears that Raitt actually used her own air miles to upgrade, so this has proven no joy for the union or dippers here. It's also time for unions to stop using the public as victims. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
punked Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 I don't have to provide you with didley squat - if there was no breach of privacy then why is Air Canada investigating that "certain employees improperly accessed customer files" - and that's not illegal - sure. A/C can't discuss more because of privacy issues. Just because you don't like the fact that a union employee has done this and given out this information in order to smear the Minister, doesn't make it untrue. There needs to be an inquiry into how NDP obtained information to which they were never entitled. Gotcha so you have no source and all the claims you are making are out of your head. That was what I was saying all along. Again Stop making claims unless you are willing to back them up. CITATION NEEDED!! Quote
Shwa Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 So the union or a union employee actually has the right to take the personal information for a passenger and disseminate it to a political party - really I guess that's why A/C is looking into the breach of security. Regardless of a charter challenge, I expect the gov't to step in when necessary to protect us. You are the one stating that "the info was obviously obtained illegally." If it is so obvious, how about you tell us - at the very least - what law was broken? Quote
punked Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 You are the one stating that "the info was obviously obtained illegally." If it is so obvious, how about you tell us - at the very least - what law was broken? He wont because as I stated earlier he made it up and then convinced himself it was a fact. Quote
olp1fan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Posted October 15, 2011 lol, lets say ndp did break the law that is once...comparing that to the dozens of times the cons broke the law since 2006 ... people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Quote
cybercoma Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Whistle blowers deserve to be protected. Quote
punked Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 lol, lets say ndp did break the law that is once...comparing that to the dozens of times the cons broke the law since 2006 ... people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones Our side needs to stop conceding to this fake equivalents. Don't say "lets say they did" say "Prove they did" the only reason the other side makes stuff up like Scrib here is because they know we will let them get away with it instead of telling they are lying when they are. Don't concede these points please because while I understand what you are saying it is very easy for someone like Scrib to now dismiss you because you also did wrong. MAKE HIM PROVE IT. Quote
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 Gotcha so you have no source and all the claims you are making are out of your head. That was what I was saying all along. Again Stop making claims unless you are willing to back them up. CITATION NEEDED!! BS, I'm going by Air Canada's investigation and comments... you stop making unfounded claims. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
olp1fan Posted October 15, 2011 Author Report Posted October 15, 2011 BS, I'm going by Air Canada's investigation and comments... you stop making unfounded claims. air canada is biased, do you have an impartial source? Quote
Shwa Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 BS, I'm going by Air Canada's investigation and comments... you stop making unfounded claims. THen what law did Air Canada's investigation and comments say was broken? Quote
scribblet Posted October 15, 2011 Report Posted October 15, 2011 air canada is biased, do you have an impartial source? Get real... the origian comment was reported in a news article, Air Canada can't talk about it because of privacy issues, we will have to wait to see what comes of it. Either way, it was a breach of privacy by a union employee who leaked the content of his breach of privacy to the NDP. If you all think that such a breach is legal and morally correct, then it's sad, and thankfully you all have no actual say in anything that matters. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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