waldo Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 The consumption is illegal, by the the fact that possession is illegal. If possession is illegal, it follows without saying that consumption/injection is illegal. no - it "follows" only in terms of your falsely propping up one to the other. They are, quite obviously, distinct acts/entities in themselves. If, as you say, "it follows without saying", why would the respective European countries I drew attention to either: (1) explicitly attach 'no offence' legality to consumption; or, (2) provide qualified law explicitly attaching (qualified) 'offence' legality to consumption........ if it all, as you say, "follows without saying"? Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 OMG. You just agreed that it's a criminal act to consume an illegal drug. Which means it's illegal. I agreed that it's a criminal act to possess an illegal drug. Just out of curiosity are you functionally illiterate because POSSESS and CONSUME are two different verbs. One of them is illegal in this case and the other is not. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 The military quote was in regards to all Canadians!! The quote is wrong. The Act that regulates drugs is the CDSA. If it's illegal for Canadians to use drugs, show me where in the CDSA it says that. Quote
Guest American Woman Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 You nailed him the first time around, so he is trying to parse the debate to preserve some honor. I have learned with you myself to be very thorough when choosing to sally forth on any given topic! Why thank you. and with that, I am done addressing this with him - I'd have better luck getting my cats to understand it ............. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 You nailed him the first time around, so he is trying to parse the debate to preserve some honor. I have learned with you myself to be very thorough when choosing to sally forth on any given topic! She did no such thing and your cheerleading adds nothing to the conversation but an example of your own ignorance. If you want to help her, feel free to go through the CDSA and show me where consumption is illegal. Quote
waldo Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 That's all very nice, but the regulations for military personnel have nothing to do with anything. That's like saying, Home Depot employees have to wear orange aprons, so it's a law that all Canadians must wear orange aprons. perfect! They seem quite ready to reach for anything/everything to avoid actually reaching for an actual applicable law stating consumption is illegal... oh wait... there isn't one! Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Why thank you. and with that, I am done addressing this with him - I'd have better luck getting my cats to understand it ............. It's really quite simple. The only thing you need to do to make me understand that consumption is illegal is show me the law that says consumption is illegal. Waldo and I have both provided you with a link to the CDSA which regulates drugs in Canada. Neither you nor your blowhard friend bush_cheney have done so. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 If you want to help her, feel free to go through the CDSA and show me where consumption is illegal. AW doesn't need my help, and you have been proven wrong. There is a law that prohibits Canadians from using illegal drugs, and even legal drugs in a way other than their intended purpose. Sorry, don't blame us for your own laws. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 AW doesn't need my help, and you have been proven wrong. There is a law that prohibits Canadians from using illegal drugs, and even legal drugs in a way other than their intended purpose. Sorry, don't blame us for your own laws. Show me the law. What section of the CDSA says that using drugs is illegal? Quote
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 No? Nothing? That's what I thought. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Show me the law. What section of the CDSA says that using drugs is illegal? Not looking good for you....the Railway Safety Act also takes a dim view of alcohol/drug use while operating choo choos. Let me guess...railway employees are not Canadians either, right? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Show me the law. What section of the CDSA says that using drugs is illegal? nothing quite like a couple of yawnkees presuming to speak to Canadian law, particularly as they attempt to impart their own ideological predilection... notwithstanding the quite obviously hypocritical, oft self-described "progressive", American Woman is anything but... progressive! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 nothing quite like a couple of yawnkees presuming to speak to Canadian law, particularly as they attempt to impart their own ideological predilection... notwithstanding the quite obviously hypocritical, oft self-described "progressive", American Woman is anything but... progressive! It's as least as much fun as a pair of canaduhs getting their asses handed to them by stoopid Americans. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) Not looking good for you....the Railway Safety Act also takes a dim view of alcohol/drug use while operating choo choos. Let me guess...railway employees are not Canadians either, right? Controlled Drugs and Substances ActI guess the consumption of alcohol is illegal too, since you're not allowed to drink and drive. Edited October 1, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
waldo Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Controlled Drugs and Substances Act why let the law get in the way of two foreign interlopers flailing and wailing away! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) Controlled Drugs and Substances Act I guess the consumption of alcohol is illegal too, since you're not allowed to drink and drive. It is illegal under certain circumstances...in Canada. Sorry...we didn't pass such legislation...your government did. The noose is tightening around your weak argument. Edited October 1, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 why let the law get in the way of two foreign interlopers flailing and wailing away! Damn those foreigners....why don't they just go away? 'Course, waldo just loves all that foreign climate change data! LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 It is illegal under certain circumstances...in Canada. Sorry...we didn't pass such legislation...your government did. The noose is tightening around your weak argument. Is the noose tightening or are you moving the goal posts?"Drugs are illegal to consume in Canada because military personnel, pilots, and train engineers are not allowed to use them while working." You're not even in the same county as the ballpark that has the criminal code laws dealing with drugs in Canada. I've already provided the link: Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. Nowhere in that act is the use or consumption of drugs prohibited. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) ...You're not even in the same county as the ballpark that has the criminal code laws dealing with drugs in Canada. I've already provided the link: Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. Nowhere in that act is the use or consumption of drugs prohibited. You are purposely constraining your position to a single Act when there are many others that define and control the illegal use of alcohol and drugs by Canadians. You seek to do this because as the question was originally framed, you were wrong. Just admit it and move on. Edited October 1, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) You are purposely constraining your position to a single Act when their are many others that define and control the illegal use of alcohol and drugs by Canadians. You seek to do this because as the question was originally framed, you were wrong. Just admit it and move on. Stupid me for asking you to cite the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act when addressing controlled drugs and substances, rather than regulations about conduct in the military or railway safety. Edited October 1, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Stupid me for asking you to cite the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act when addressing controlled drugs and substances, rather than regulations about conduct in the military or railway safety. The issue was use or consumption as opposed to possession, trafficking, transport, etc. You went all in for drug use as being out of scope and not prohibited, when in fact Canada has many laws and regulations at the federal and provincial level prohibiting such use for Canadians. Thanks for a good toss in the hay! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 You do know that the government was challenging Insite's legitimacy based on the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, right? You are aware that's what this thread is about and how this argument started, yes? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 You do know that the government was challenging Insite's legitimacy based on the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, right? You are aware that's what this thread is about and how this argument started, yes? Very much so, but you did not so limit your original assertion. Back pedaling now cannot save you. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 There are rules that make it illegal to consume alcohol and operate a motor vehicle. That's not at all the same thing as saying that it's illegal to consume alcohol. It's illegal to operate a motor vehicle under the influence of drugs and alcohol. You cannot get into the military if you use drugs. You cannot operate a train if you use drugs. This is as a matter of fact entirely different than saying it is illegal for Canadians to consume drugs. Here's the law as it pertains to drugs and drugs alone: Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. It doesn't say a thing about using them. Quote
waldo Posted October 1, 2011 Report Posted October 1, 2011 Stupid me for asking you to cite the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act when addressing controlled drugs and substances, rather than regulations about conduct in the military or railway safety. so confusing... is the foreign interloper presupposing on the mandate and applied scope of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act... is he stating there are overriding acts/laws that usurp the expressed lawful authority within the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act? Beyond his standard artful dance and blowing smoke routine, just what is the foreign interloper actually saying in terms of the applicability of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, particularly as it applies to this thread and the pointed discussion concerning Insite? Quote
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