ing passport prices sky rocket!

[Wilber]

Yea..we can pay $12.75 for faster delivery, or $60 for express processing (2 - 4 weeks). Visa pages cost more too.

We actually do better. $30 for 2 to 9 days and $70 for 24 hours. One has to wonder how much security checking they do if they can issue a passport in 24 hrs.

No thanks, but just remember, your health care is "free".

Well then why do continental Canadians bitch and moan when Canadians of convenience want to be rescued from Lebanon?

Perhaps like me they think that if you have dual citizenship, the country you are living and working in is the country that is responsible for you.

[Smallc]

Then why are they charging that much now?

Perhaps diplomatic passports cost more? Perhaps the first e passports cost more, as there isn't mass production? We don't know. Given Passport Canada's mandate, that's seems to simply be what they cost.

Edited September 21, 2011 by Smallc

[William Ashley]

What the hell you talking about willis?

Passports, and the universal right of mobility.

No it isnt.

YES IT IS READ SECTION 6 OF THE CHARTER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_Six_of_the_Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms

[William Ashley]

3-me neither , but I will leave it w a stranger who DOES speak English, doesnt everyone? How about keeping it on you? There are these things called dry bags. They work , keeps the doobie dry on camping trips!

Oh so now I need to buy something for someone elses property, it is Canada's property so why don't they include the dry bag, they sure as hell should include a nice "sealed anti snooping water proof case for the damn thing.

Now there is a markup product I need to pay ontop of the already outrageous price for something that is a constitutional right and universal right to begin with?

You arent, unless somewhere in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms you can show us where itstates you have to pay for this. Im guessing you wont be able to.

Its a universal right that is enhanced by a Royal Perogative. The ability to enter, leave or remain Canada itself is a charter right.

The passport merely affirms conveyance of protection of the Queen. However there is also something that existed called the universal right to mobility that all civilized states ought to uphold. Clearly the truth of the matter is apparent.

Ever since WWI the police state and martial controls on people have been growing and growing... IT IS THE DESTRUCTION OF FREEDOM and the very soul of reasonable civlized order!!!

EVEN THE UN RECOGNIZES REASON AND CIVILIZED FREEDOM.

After World War II, the United Nations was established. The new international organization recognized the importance of freedom of movement through documents such as the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (1966). Article 13 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the U.N. General Assembly, reads,

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 12 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights incorporates this right into treaty law:

(1) Everyone lawfully within the territory of a State shall, within that territory, have the right to liberty of movement and freedom to choose his residence.

(2) Everyone shall be free to leave any country, including his own.

(3) The above-mentioned rights shall not be subject to any restrictions except those provided by law, are necessary to protect national security, public order (ordre public), public health or morals or the rights and freedoms of others, and are consistent with the other rights recognized in the present Covenant.

(4) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of the right to enter his own country.

The ICCPR entered into force for the initial ratifying states on 23 March 1976, and for additional states following their ratification. In 1999, the U.N. Human Rights Committee, which is charged with interpreting the treaty, issued its guidelines for Article 12 of the ICCPR in its "General Comment No. 27: Freedom of Movement

However the idea is that "normal people arn't national security threats.. I HAVE DONE NOTHING TO BE LOCKED AWAY IN A FEDERAL PRISON IN THE US FOR A MONTH SIMPLY TRYING TO GO BACK TO MY HOME!" This without even being able to see a judge without being arbitrary detained for an additional month. AND THIS WAS WITH THE PASSPORT!

The madness of these fascist police states ruled by barbarians is totally unacceptable. DOWN WITH THE BARBARIAN RULE! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! FREEDOM FOR ALL! CIVILIZATION AND THE CIVILIZED MUST PREVAIL.

RISE UP!!! RISE UP!

Edited September 21, 2011 by William Ashley

[guyser]

What options, a passport card. We aren't even offered that option. The only options we are offered is to pay more for quicker delivery. Today's quicker delivery is longer than regular delivery ten years ago.

I receieved mine overnight. Needed to go to Chicago on short notice and voila ! Paid for that too, but dont recall what I paid.

Yes it is a constant irritant when you are paying more than "merkins" for most things. Try it some time.

As for the latter, you would have to ask the IRS. I have to admit, taxing on citizenship is not something I envy about your system. Canadians are taxed on residence.

I have no concerns nor problem with paying slightly more than our cousins down south. There are valid reasons for such and thats fine by me.

I know we pay less for lots of things too. So....goes both ways.

This taxation thing has been ever thus. enough of my friends up north are Americans and own property, they say its hard the first time you fill it out, but going forward its easy.

None of them would sell because of any tax hardship.

[guyser]

Oh so now I need to buy something for someone elses property, it is Canada's property so why don't they include the dry bag, they sure as hell should include a nice "sealed anti snooping water proof case for the damn thing.

Quit being a cheap bugger and buy your own

Now there is a markup product I need to pay ontop of the already outrageous price for something that is a constitutional right and universal right to begin with?

Do you need a passport to come back from the US ?

No rights are trampled.

Grow up, get a better lawyer next time and keep your nose clean.

[g_bambino]

Its a universal right that is enhanced by a Royal Perogative. The ability to enter, leave or remain Canada itself is a charter right.

Your rights as a Canadian are valid only under Canadian authority. As soon as you cross the border of another state, you are subject to its laws. The Charter does grant the right of mobility; but, it doesn't grant you the right to enter a foreign country. For that, you require whatever documents that country's government asks from you; typically a passport, into which is inserted the appropriate visa. Since the requirement of a passport to enter another country is that country's prerogative, obtaining a Canadian passport is not a right extended to Canadians. Whether or not a passport is issued is indeed within the Royal Prerogative of the sovereign - the Queen represented by the governor general as advised by the Cabinet - and it is not bound to go one way; passports can be revoked or denied for various reasons, either as laid out in the Canadian Passport Order or for any other, such as national security. Just ask Fateh Kamel.

[+]

Edited September 21, 2011 by g_bambino

[Smallc]

I receieved mine overnight.

And just to expand on that, processing times for regular applications made from a passport office are currently ten days. That's not long at all. I know people who have gotten a passport within 24 hours, as you did.

[William Ashley]

Quit being a cheap bugger and buy your own

I'm not cheap, I just shouldn't be the one to pay to protect a bad product that is being forced on me in violation of my rights. They should make it so that the product is not going to dissolve in water, and that the agents following me around or criminals getting my data or paid goons sabotaging me can't do it easily. My security should be protected.. LIFE LIBERTY AND SECURITY OF PERSON. It is another constitutional violation. I know both Canadians and Americans who want to send me to North Korea and Syria just for kicks (pun). They even offered a free flight to Syria. ...

Do you need a passport to come back from the US ?

If the US is holding you you do if you do it civil, they require travel documents to let you leave. They say it is because it is what Canada requires. However ultimately no you don't, but it is easier to do it with a passport because when you get back you need to do proof of identity and other administrative hassles. Technically there are loopholes, for entering both the US and Canada, but it is not something that you should take lightly. (It was an absurd and abusive and nonsensical process, since I was going to pay for my travel.. it ended up the US housing me and feeding and offering me work in a place I wasn't allowed in prior because they thought I was going to stay and work there (totally baseless), THEN they paid for my flight back. It was incredibly frustrating and then you wonder why the US is in debt at $200+ a day that works out to like $8000 or so overall in federal tax funds transferred to the state (not counting my private medical clinic costs, and on site medical costs) --- the whole situation is rotten, as I was only traveling back to my home, and nothing indicated that I'm aware of any other intent. Apparently it is a loophole the local people use to get money from the Federal Government by just holding Mexicans and stuff in the places to use them as cash cows to milk federal tax dollars to the state. (The places are backlogged, and they are 10 feet from the border) (It was absolutely absurd, and something that damaged relations.. it is nonsense) Its also used as a loophole to give TIME + ICE to anyone convicted of a crime so they get a extra month or two or so, because they arn't American. Then they get stuck in there fighting their cases for months if not years sometimes fighting extradition, the whole process is disgusting. I was one of the only people TRYING TO LEAVE.

No rights are trampled.

Liar.

Grow up, get a better lawyer next time and keep your nose clean.

What lawyer, why have a lawyer if they aren't letting you see a judge? What is the point?

It is corrupt process. I do not assign my rights to someone else. I know enough to protect my own rights. The issue is a corrupt unconstitutional system that infringes basic rights of justice.

It was arbitrary detention - they would not let me see a judge, unless I stayed an additional month. It was a totally corrupt process.

I didn't do anything.

Edited September 21, 2011 by William Ashley

[Bonam]

...agents following me around...

[guyser]

, I just shouldn't be the one to pay to protect a bad product that is being forced on me in violation of my rights.

Nothing being forced on you.

As for the rest, well, hire a lawyer and sue. You may get millions....or one large bill from the lawyer.

Roll the dice !

[Wilber]

And just to expand on that, processing times for regular applications made from a passport office are currently ten days. That's not long at all. I know people who have gotten a passport within 24 hours, as you did.

It varies with time and demand. My last one took over a month and the one before that almost three weeks. Nice to see they are improving. Hope they can keep it up. I just hope there will be a ten year passport available before my present one expires. Going through this every five is a royal PITA, especially when I needed one for work.

[Smallc]

It varies with time and demand.

demand doesn't generally vary that much anymore, according to that article I linked to earlier.

[Wilber]

demand doesn't generally vary that much anymore, according to that article I linked to earlier.

My last one was issued early Dec 2010. The reason I was given for 4 to 6 week wait was high demand leading up to Christmas.

[Smallc]

My last one was issued early Dec 2010. The reason I was given for 4 to 6 week wait was high demand leading up to Christmas.

Yes, but as more and more people now have passports, a kind of cycle has developed. There will probably be part of one year with longer waits, but the current ten day wait has existed for months, including during the lead up to summer.

[Wilber]

Yes, but as more and more people now have passports, a kind of cycle has developed. There will probably be part of one year with longer waits, but the current ten day wait has existed for months, including during the lead up to summer.

Maybe but that was less than a year ago.