UN calls israeli raid 'excessive', 'unreasonable' and

[Wild Bill]

I can't fault the Israelis for respondingonce attacked.

Sure you can! Everybody else does!

Hamas and others get to lob rockets into Israeli bedroom communities, blow up buses full of orphans and generally have a hell of a good time, all this being just "cultural expression".

If Israel retaliates and does an air strike against the rocket launcher site, this is an unjustified attack that stymies the advancement of the peace process and is generally a crime against the Universe!

[Guest American Woman]

Sure you can! Everybody else does!

Hamas and others get to lob rockets into Israeli bedroom communities, blow up buses full of orphans and generally have a hell of a good time, all this being just "cultural expression".

If Israel retaliates and does an air strike against the rocket launcher site, this is an unjustified attack that stymies the advancement of the peace process and is generally a crime against the Universe!

When even Annan admits that 'too often Israel is judged harsher than its enemies, particularly in some UN bodies,' it confirms the bias that so many can see exists within the UN. So really, what good does it do in that regard?

[bud]

When even Annan admits

what has annan admitted:

Annan: Israel guilty of truce violations

In meeting with Defense Minister Peretz, UN secretary-general slams Israel for violating southern Lebanon ceasefire, calls on Israel to lift blockade imposed on Lebanon

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UN Chief Annan Calls on Israel to End 'Illegal Occupation'

by Irwin Arieff

UNITED NATIONS - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan harshly criticized Israel on Tuesday, calling on it to rein in its attacks on Palestinian civilians and end its "illegal occupation" of Palestinian lands.

there is a lot more annan has said, but yeah, you know, lets pretend that the criticism that israel receives are only from fringe countries and organizations and are not worthy of taking seriously.

[William Ashley]

what has annan admitted:

Annan: Israel guilty of truce violations

In meeting with Defense Minister Peretz, UN secretary-general slams Israel for violating southern Lebanon ceasefire, calls on Israel to lift blockade imposed on Lebanon

...

UN Chief Annan Calls on Israel to End 'Illegal Occupation'

by Irwin Arieff

UNITED NATIONS - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan harshly criticized Israel on Tuesday, calling on it to rein in its attacks on Palestinian civilians and end its "illegal occupation" of Palestinian lands.

there is a lot more annan has said, but yeah, you know, lets pretend that the criticism that israel receives are only from fringe countries and organizations and are not worthy of taking seriously.

The current security general - MOON is VERY VERY pro west - (he is south korean right..) Annan seemed far more "liberal minded" in many of his positions.... Moon actually seems to purport for active engagement.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/09/02/55533990.html

Edited September 3, 2011 by William Ashley

[Bryan]

Wow. Israel lied about killing people?

Shocking.

[dre]

Sure you can! Everybody else does!

Hamas and others get to lob rockets into Israeli bedroom communities, blow up buses full of orphans and generally have a hell of a good time, all this being just "cultural expression".

If Israel retaliates and does an air strike against the rocket launcher site, this is an unjustified attack that stymies the advancement of the peace process and is generally a crime against the Universe!

Pretending this is a one sided conflict is silly. Both sides have been provoking each other constantly for decades, and BOTH sides claim that they are the ones that are retaliating.

[dre]

The current security general - MOON is VERY VERY pro west - (he is south korean right..) Annan seemed far more "liberal minded" in many of his positions.... Moon actually seems to purport for active engagement.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/09/02/55533990.html

Incidentally. Its pretty silly to act suprised that the UN would be focused on this situation. They created the problem in the first place, and the whole western world has been focused on it ever since.

Its not just the UN thats focused on this. Its the US, and other western countries as well. How many presidents in the last few decades have not made a token attempt to make these retards be nice to each other?

And look at this forum as well! CONFLICT: DIRTFARM is disproportionately discussed here as well!

It was the UN that conducted this failed experiment of building nationstates around religious ambition. They SHOULD be trying to fix this mess and shut those morons over there the fuck up.

In another hundred years we will STILL be wasting our time with this.

[Guest American Woman]

Turkey plans to challenge Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip at the International Court of Justice, dismissing a United Nations report that said it was legal. link

Turkey is saying that the report, concluding that the blockade is legal, means nothing because it was determined by politicians, not judges.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today that while his government regrets the deaths caused by the flotilla raid, “we need not apologize for the fact that naval commandos defended their lives against violent activists.”

I don't recall the activists, proclaiming themselves as peaceful, apologizing for using violence.

If this were to go to the Court, seems to me that would dismiss any and all reports coming out of the UN since the UN is not a court.

[GostHacked]

Not much of a surprise given Turkey's Islamist leanings. Most reasonable people realize the Islamist government of Turkey was reasponsible for the violence itself. They encouraged, partly funded and recruited those who launched the flotilla.

Meanwhile when Turkey bombs the Kurds in northern Iraq, no one says anything, and that has been going on since the invasion of Iraq in 2006. Turkey is an islamic country, however their government is a Parlimentary Republic.

[Argus]

there is a lot more annan has said, but yeah, you know, lets pretend that the criticism that israel receives are only from fringe countries and organizations and are not worthy of taking seriously.

And fringe people...

[Argus]

Pretending this is a one sided conflict is silly. Both sides have been provoking each other constantly for decades, and BOTH sides claim that they are the ones that are retaliating.

True enough. Unfortunately, the anti-Israelis (Ie, Jew haters) mostly pay no attention whatsoever to Palestinian and other Muslim provocations and attacks. Just like they pay no attention to Palestinian human rights violations against their own people.

[bloodyminded]

And they also were waiting with guns, steel rods etc. They started the fracas. They well knew Israelis board every such vessel and do so with no violence. It was a trap and Israel fell for it. Had they simply boarded with guns pointed prepared to shoot, the attack by 'pacifists' wouldn't have happened.

I can't fault the Israelis for respondingonce attacked.

A man lying on deck on his stomach and executed with a shot to the back of the head....What a courageous (and necessary) "response"!

Edited September 6, 2011 by bloodyminded

[bud]

And they also were waiting with guns,

really? they had guns? this is the first time i've heard this. cite?

[Wild Bill]

A man lying on deck on his stomach and executed with a shot to the back of the head....What a courageous (and necessary) "response"!

Well, he may have been a non-combatant at that point but what was he doing 5 minutes before?

And isn't this apples and oranges compared to randomly firing rockets into residential areas and blowing up busloads of schoolkids and civilians?

[jacee]

Well, he may have been a non-combatant at that point but what was he doing 5 minutes before?

It doesn't matter what he did before. It's a war crime to shoot a prisoner, even if you don't like what he's saying.

[Saipan]

A man lying on deck on his stomach and executed with a shot to the back of the head....What a courageous (and necessary) "response"!

Yes, Moslems do that to women as well. Usually on football field.

CBC once shown how black policeman did it to some whites - in the street, execution style in the "homeland" of South Africa.

[Saipan]

It doesn't matter what he did before. It's a war crime to shoot a prisoner, even if you don't like what he's saying.

Indeed, Jihadis are war criminals. They don't keep P.O.W.

[Guest American Woman]

It doesn't matter what he did before. It's a war crime to shoot a prisoner, even if you don't like what he's saying.

Where does it say that he was a prisoner at the time he was shot? - and that he was shot because they didn't like what he was saying?

I'd appreciate your pointing that out to me. Thank you.

[bud]

Well, he may have been a non-combatant at that point but what was he doing 5 minutes before?

And isn't this apples and oranges compared to randomly firing rockets into residential areas and blowing up busloads of schoolkids and civilians?

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you're a bit wild and all over the place with your remarks. how many saipans, peeves and jbg's do we need here with their irresponsible, ignorant and misinformed comments?

why is israel always so fearful of doing independent investigations? why are they still holding onto the evidence like videos that were taken by the passengers? why are there dishonest people who are trying to justify their actions?

the longer this continues, the more i realize that the people in charge of israel will never be the ones who will be able to take israel to the direction of peace. israel has become incapable of being honest. it's always about deception, twisting and marketing everything that comes out. all of this is reflected in those who go to any length to justify israeli actions.

[Bob]

Oh, did the UN come to a decision about another issue about which it knows nothing and wishes to politicize? Thankfully, statements prefaced with, "The UN said..." are becoming less and less credible every year as more and more people are becoming informed of just how disgusting the UN is. With respect to Israel, it's basically an Arab/Muslim interest group with economic/political power via OPEC.

[Wild Bill]

the longer this continues, the more i realize that the people in charge of israel will never be the ones who will be able to take israel to the direction of peace. israel has become incapable of being honest. it's always about deception, twisting and marketing everything that comes out. all of this is reflected in those who go to any length to justify israeli actions.

You've yet to answer the question of how does Israel dare to make peace when repeatedly Palestinian terrorists have broken agreements and just started lobbing rockets again?

That is just plain stupid! If Israel gives up security, it's obvious what will happen. Some Hamas type group will just seize the opportunity to commit a bigger act of violence. Look what happened when Israel gave back occupied land. The terrorists just moved their launchers closer!

Even countries like Egypt claim they will police Palestinian areas but in practice its just talk. Their police seem to just go in, walk around and ignore anything they see.

Unilateral disarmament is just a fancy name for suicide. What guarantees would Israel get that would WORK?

[bud]

You've yet to answer the question of how does Israel dare to make peace when repeatedly Palestinian terrorists have broken agreements and just started lobbing rockets again?

you can't guarantee such a thing. there will always be extremist groups on both sides. one thing that is guaranteed is that the occupation will continue to fan the flames of extremism. regardless, it's not israel's decision whether palestinians will have their own state. all israel can do is to stall what is going to happen.

That is just plain stupid! If Israel gives up security, it's obvious what will happen.

give up security? how is allowing palestinians to have their own state giving up security?

Some Hamas type group will just seize the opportunity to commit a bigger act of violence. Look what happened when Israel gave back occupied land. The terrorists just moved their launchers closer!

they continued to occupy the land by controlling the borders, air and seas. so they didn't really stop the occupation of gaza, by the real definition. not only that, but it's fair to accept that the rockets are a response to the unfair treatment of the gazans through a brutal blockade which started when hamas was voted into power.

israel and u.s. will be side-stepped. they've had more than their share of opportunity to help create a palestinian state. they failed miserably because of those who control the israeli government. the extreme right wing zionist government is not interested to ever allowing a real palestinian state. they're still in lala land and dreaming of a greater israel.

[jacee]

Where does it say that he was a prisoner at the time he was shot? - and that he was shot because they didn't like what he was saying?

I'd appreciate your pointing that out to me. Thank you.

Look back a couple of pages in the thread, or google it.

I was surmising that he must have said something to annoy the Israeli soldier holding him at gunpoint, but perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps he said nothing and got shot anyway.

[Guest American Woman]

Look back a couple of pages in the thread, or google it.

I was surmising that he must have said something to annoy the Israeli soldier holding him at gunpoint, but perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps he said nothing and got shot anyway.

So you can't back up your claim. I'm surmising that you don't know the facts.

[bud]

So you can't back up your claim. I'm surmising that you don't know the facts.

lol

says the person who didn't even read what the thread was about before responding.