Layton Lionisation Excessive

[punked]

Once again, you are totally off subject. It's like the weather is being discussed and you keep bringing up the color of grass ...........

And yet the color of the grass will tell me more about the weather over the last month then just looking out side this minute.

Edited August 28, 2011 by punked

[Guest American Woman]

And yet the color of the grass will tell me more about the weather over the last month then just looking out side this minute.

I rest my case.

Carry on.................

[punked]

I rest my case.

Carry on.................

That is the point. You don't want to look at the whole system you want to look at a very very small sliver because that is the only sliver that you got.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wow from 4 years ago. Go ahead close your boarders we will send those mothers to NS, it is just closer for the families to go the US.

I'm sure you were saying that US health care "sucked" 4 years ago....or 10 years ago....or 20 years ago. That's OK...we know where to find you or your political leaders when their asses are on the line.

[punked]

I'm sure you were saying that US health care "sucked" 4 years ago....or 10 years ago....or 20 years ago. That's OK...we know where to find you or your political leaders when their asses are on the line.

US healthcare has never sucked. I have never said it sucked it is the best in the world.....if you got the money. However for the 95% of the population that does not have the money is pretty bad. You have an Access problem might be why 1.5 MILLION people leave the US every year for health care. While in Canada it is around 40,000.

[bush_cheney2004]

US healthcare has never sucked. I have never said it sucked it is the best in the world.....if you got the money. However for the 95% of the population that does not have the money is pretty bad. You have an Access problem might be why 1.5 MILLION people leave the US every year for health care. While in Canada it is around 40,000.

If you are an American citizen as claimed, then this is awkward to read. Canadian health care professionals left for the USA in droves during the 1990's. Did American doctors and nurses move to Canada? Nope.

[cybercoma]

I have never said it sucked it is the best in the world.....if you got the money.

This is too nuanced for some people. They prefer their political statements to be black and white.

[punked]

If you are an American citizen as claimed, then this is awkward to read. Canadian health care professionals left for the USA in droves during the 1990's. Did American doctors and nurses move to Canada? Nope.

I know many people who are becoming Doctors right now in the US only to come to Canada after they finish.

[Guest American Woman]

That is the point. You don't want to look at the whole system you want to look at a very very small sliver because that is the only sliver that you got.

I am fine with looking at the whole - it's you who refuses to look at the whole. You refuse to see the significance of that "sliver" regarding the state of Canada's health care. If that "sliver" is so insignificant, why does Canada rely on the U.S. health care system instead of "fixing" it? instead of ignoring those who fall into that "sliver?" Because of the cost - and the lives involved. And that says something about the state of your health care system. It is reliant on services from the U.S. - and no matter how small a "sliver" of people are sent here for lack of care, it's significant by the very fact that it involves their lives. And it helps keep the costs down in Canada to send them here rather than building more facilities. Relying on the U.S. to fill in the gap saves the government - therefore the people - money.

And again. I'm not talking about Canadians who choose to come here, but Canadians who are sent here. So please, for the love of God, don't go off about Americans who choose to go to Canada/abroad again. It's not the same situation as being SENT there for lack of the availability of facilities/treatment in their own country. If said Americans chose not to go abroad, treatment would still be available in the U.S. Not so for Canadians who are sent to the U.S. for treatment. And that is the issue; that is the very significant difference.

[bush_cheney2004]

I know many people who are becoming Doctors right now in the US only to come to Canada after they finish.

.....you mean like these:

Fully qualified foreign trained physicians with American experience are considered a valuable commodity during the current doctor shortage in Canada. It is ironic that once an IMG is fully qualified as a primary care family doctor in the U.S., they are probably welcome back into the country they left with open arms.

Health Force Ontario Agency recruitment staff travel to American medical schools and job fairs in the USA to entice Canadian born and landed immigrant or Canadian citizen foreign trained doctors back to work in Canada.

http://www.thebigwait.com/international-medical-graduates/brain-drain-will-more-foreign-trained-physicians-leave-canada/

[bush_cheney2004]

This is too nuanced for some people. They prefer their political statements to be black and white.

I knew you couldn't stay away....LOL!

[punked]

I am fine with looking at the whole - it's you who refuses to look at the whole. You refuse to see the significance of that "sliver" regarding the state of Canada's health care. If that "sliver" is so insignificant, why does Canada rely on the U.S. health care system instead of "fixing" it? instead of ignoring those who fall into that "sliver?" Because of the cost - and the lives involved. And that says something about the state of your health care system. It is reliant on services from the U.S. - and no matter how small a "sliver" of people are sent here for lack of care, it's significant by the very fact that it involves their lives. And it helps keep the costs down in Canada to send them here rather than building more facilities. Relying on the U.S. to fill in the gap saves the government - therefore the people - money.

And again. I'm not talking about Canadians who choose to come here, but Canadians who are sent here. So please, for the love of God, don't go off about Americans who choose to go to Canada/abroad again. It's not the same situation as being SENT there for lack of the availability of facilities/treatment in their own country. If said Americans chose not to go abroad, treatment would still be available in the U.S. Not so for Canadians who are sent to the U.S. for treatment. And that is the issue; that is the very significant difference.

Because JUST LIKE THE AMERICAN insurance system who sends people out side the US for Medical procedures the Canadian insurance system weighs the costs. There is no point in a country of 30 million people have a specialist for something that only has a 1 in hundred million chance of effecting someone. However that is fine in a country like America because EVERY country in the world will send their once in a lifetime case to the US.

Outside of that it is an issue of having a spread out population. However if you closed your boarders we could send most these people to Toronto or Halifax or whereever they need to go for care. They would just be so much further from their family and support base if we did.

[punked]

.....you mean like these:

Fully qualified foreign trained physicians with American experience are considered a valuable commodity during the current doctor shortage in Canada. It is ironic that once an IMG is fully qualified as a primary care family doctor in the U.S., they are probably welcome back into the country they left with open arms.

Health Force Ontario Agency recruitment staff travel to American medical schools and job fairs in the USA to entice Canadian born and landed immigrant or Canadian citizen foreign trained doctors back to work in Canada.

http://www.thebigwait.com/international-medical-graduates/brain-drain-will-more-foreign-trained-physicians-leave-canada/

Nope not like that bias article you cite from a group founded by doctors who want to make more money in Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... However that is fine in a country like America because EVERY country in the world will send their once in a lifetime case to the US.

Yes...many do. Princes and sheiks come to the Mayo Clinics often, just like Canadians.

Outside of that it is an issue of having a spread out population. However if you closed your boarders we could send most these people to Toronto or Halifax or whereever they need to go for care. They would just be so much further from their family and support base if we did.

More excuses....next you will say it is the weather. BTW...it is "borders"...not "boarders" in this context. Just sayin'.

[Guest American Woman]

US healthcare has never sucked. I have never said it sucked it is the best in the world.....if you got the money. However for the 95% of the population that does not have the money is pretty bad. You have an Access problem might be why 1.5 MILLION people leave the US every year for health care. While in Canada it is around 40,000.

95% of the population?? Good Lord. You might want to recheck your statistics.

[bush_cheney2004]

Nope not like that bias article you cite from a group founded by doctors who want to make more money in Canada.

Well we can't have that...nosireebob....damn doctors want to make more money...not in Canada goddamit!

[punked]

Yes...many do. Princes and sheiks come to the Mayo Clinics often, just like Canadians.

More excuses....next you will say it is the weather. BTW...it is "borders"...not "boarders" in this context. Just sayin'.

Thanks for the update.

It is a reality not an excuse we have a smaller population with a larger land mass. Our biggest problem isn't doctors it is access from very small communities who live in places that hard to get out of.

[bush_cheney2004]

95% of the population?? Good Lord. You might want to recheck your statistics.

Agreed...and this guy claims he is an American!

[Guest American Woman]

Agreed...and this guy claims he is an American!

It's like my sig line says .........

[punked]

Well we can't have that...nosireebob....damn doctors want to make more money...not in Canada goddamit!

The CMA has fought the implantation in Canada of Medicare for years now. That is a fact.

[bush_cheney2004]

Thanks for the update.

No problem....I aim to please!

It is a reality not an excuse we have a smaller population with a larger land mass. Our biggest problem isn't doctors it is access from very small communities who live in places that hard to get out of.

Too bad....more doctors and other health care professionals would still help with that. Instead, you chased them away to the USA.

Thanks!

Edited August 28, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[punked]

It's like my sig line says .........

yah especially when you have no argument.

[bush_cheney2004]

The CMA has fought the implantation in Canada of Medicare for years now. That is a fact.

Pay up or suffer....no way in hell that a doctor has to drink your socialist Flavor-Aid (it wasn't Kool-Aid at Jonestown).

[punked]

No problem....I aim to please!

Too bad....more doctors and other health care professionals would still help with that. Instead, you chased them away to the USA.

Thanks!

Nope Doctors that head to the US aren't doing it because of the isolation. No amount of doctors in Winnipeg are going to help people in Churchhill. Only Doctors in Churchhill can help people there. If a Doctor is taking off for the US then there is really no way you could have got them to head to Churchhill sorry.

[punked]

Pay up or suffer....no way in hell that a doctor has to drink your socialist Flavor-Aid (it wasn't Kool-Aid at Jonestown).

We have been gaining doctors in a steady stream from 2005. Guess you are wrong.

In fact we have more Physicians per 1000 people than you do. It isn't 2000 any more our problem is getting the people who live in small isolated towns to them. You guys don't have that problem.

Edited August 28, 2011 by punked