Islamism in Europe.

Bob · July 31, 2011

After seeing the hysterics from certain folks on this board such as bloodyminded and dre, who intentionally blur the lines between political oppositions to contemporary immigration/multiculturalism policies (with a particular focus on the massive failure of Islamic integration/assimilation) and incitement to mass murder, I thought I'd share a few of THOUSANDS of videos you can find around the web illustrating massive Islamist marches who make no efforts to hide their desire for mass murder, war, Jihad, and establishment of more Islamic states around the world. It's telling how deluded the left is, while they rant about the right being violent, while ignoring their allies-of-convenience - Islamists. Make no mistake, the usual suspects are the very first to defend the Islamists in several ways - either they deflect by spreading lies of parallel threats from other religious groups ("Christian extremists"), justify the Islamist motives and actions by describing them as understandable reactions to Western "imperialism" or "colonialism" (although the only imperialism and colonialism most of the Middle East ever experienced was Arab/Islamic conquest), or deny the threat entirely by suggesting we're overexaggerating the eccentrics of a handful of fringe radicals.

For those who actually want to see grasp the breadth of this threat, and who know the left-wing media tends to avoid these stories in the interests of political correctness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM&feature=related

There are more videos on these issues than we could count, found around the web. From Hamas and Hezbollah videos, to propaganda from the entire the Muslim Middle East (which has ZERO media independent from the government), to DVDs, books, pamphlets, and lectures widely dispersed in Muslim communities in Europe (mosques, community centres, Islamic schools, university campuses, etc), this problem isn't nearly as small as the leftists portray it to be, so that they engage in their tactics of obfuscation I mentioned above.

Bob · July 31, 2011

I remember coming across these videos awhile ago. Surprisingly, they came from the BBC (often an apologist for Islamism by either blatantly misrepresenting the threat in the interests of "balance", or completely ignoring stories) and Channel 4. The first documentary shows how prevalent Islamism in Muslim communities in the UK (particularly London), and the second focuses on how Islamic identity can prevent meaningful integration into British society and lead to support for Islamism. It's really sick and it;s really frightening, but of course if you talk about these issues you're either a racist, xenophobe, "Islamophobe", or Nazi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=203oa4qatUc

Bob · July 31, 2011

Imagine living in this Muslim-majority community in France where Muslims gather en masse on Friday to block streets in a show of intimidation. I remember reading about this story about a year ago. And what does the spineless French government do? Nothing, apparently. Remember, when you offend Islamists, you risk mass murder. But also don't forget that "Christian fundamentalists" like Anders Breivik are the greatest threat facing the Western world, and that is you challenge conventional multiculturalism/immigration policies, you're a white-power Nazi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OARlLBBLQW0&feature=related

Oleg Bach · July 31, 2011

What ever happened to laws pertaining to treason - or to threatening bodily harm to others? In Britian the ungrateful home grown radical immigrants and children of Islamic immigrants - openly say they are going to destroy the place and as many in Britian that refuse to submit to their beliefs. In a more honest and less politically correct time these people would be snatched up and detained - and deported - whether they were born on British soil or not. It as if it were 1941 and some guy was standing in the town square wearing a Nazi uniform and spewing hatred saying "Us Nazis are going to destroy you and this whole nation" - that person would be spending time in an internment camp!

It's like street fighting - the pre-emptive strike was the best option if threatened with harm..for instance as a street kid...if a person squared off with me in an alley and said "I am going to rip your face off" - by the time he said "I am going to rip............my fist would be firmly planted on his forehead...and the rest of the threat would not have time enough for utterance.

Oleg Bach · July 31, 2011

This is all about the globaist idealogy that no nation belongs to anyone and that the world is an open and supposedly a fair playing field...a Nation is a house - an extented family - the title to that house belongs to that family...I don't understand our law makers and leaders these days. If someone entered my HOUSE and made a threat to me - I would not offer them a smile and a cup of tea...I would stand up and say - This is my domain - I dominate this house hold - not you...I would eject that vile interloper immediately - and if they did not leave peacfully _ I would use force - gather as much force as needed and fire that jerk out the door and then bolt it.

Bob · July 31, 2011

What ever happened to laws pertaining to treason - or to threatening bodily harm to others? In Britian the ungrateful home grown radical immigrants and children of Islamic immigrants - openly say they are going to destroy the place and as many in Britian that refuse to submit to their beliefs. In a more honest and less politically correct time these people would be snatched up and detained - and deported - whether they were born on British soil or not. It as if it were 1941 and some guy was standing in the town square wearing a Nazi uniform and spewing hatred saying "Us Nazis are going to destroy you and this whole nation" - that person would be spending time in an internment camp!

It's like street fighting - the pre-emptive strike was the best option if threatened with harm..for instance as a street kid...if a person squared off with me in an alley and said "I am going to rip your face off" - by the time he said "I am going to rip............my fist would be firmly planted on his forehead...and the rest of the threat would not have time enough for utterance.

I agree. These are just a handful of examples of the regular and countless calls to violence coming from the Islamist camps in Europe. It seems like Europe doesn't have the courage to defend itself, and will allow political correctness to bring about their destruction.

Here's an example of the same filth in America, although this group has MUCH less of a following than in Europe. Islamism doesn't seem to have taken off in America to the same degree it was in Europe, yet. But then, the Muslim population in America is still around two percent, while in certain European countries it's much higher. I think these guys are converts, though, and it seems that converts to Islam (or any religion for that matter) tend to me the most hardcore. Let's not pretend it didn't happen in Canada, either, we've had a number of arrests for plots to engage in mass murder, involving arrests in Ottawa and Toronto. There was also that piece of filth Omar Khadr from the Islamist snake-nest family (who had his share of apologists on this board). Anyways, we're not immune to it in Canada either. It's on the horizon.

Remiel · July 31, 2011

So, Bob, what is your " solution " to the " Islamic problem " seeing as you have already suggested that coverts are often the most hardcore Islamists?

Bob · July 31, 2011

So, Bob, what is your " solution " to the " Islamic problem " seeing as you have already suggested that coverts are often the most hardcore Islamists?

What's your solution? Do nothing and allow the slow Islamisation to destroy our societies? Or do you not even acknowledge this as a problem, perhaps it's simply an acceptable form of social evolution in your view?

My answer is simple, do whatever is necessary. There is no price that is too high to pay towards ensuring survival of our societies. That doesn't mean throw caution to the wind, as the struggle to balance freedoms against other existential issues can sometimes be challenging. But as I said, whatever is necessary.

Here are some of your beloved American Islamists doing what they do best - condemning America, burning the American flag, and declaring solidarity with Islamism and Jihad over democracy and freedom:

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Remiel · July 31, 2011

What's your solution? Do nothing and allow the slow Islamisation to destroy our societies? Or do you not even acknowledge this as a problem, perhaps it's simply an acceptable form of social evolution in your view?

My answer is simple, do whatever is necessary. There is no price that is too high to pay towards ensuring survival of our societies. That doesn't mean throw caution to the wind, as the struggle to balance freedoms against other existential issues can sometimes be challenging. But as I said, whatever is necessary.

Man up and tell us what you think is necessary, instead of whining about you think I think.

Bob · July 31, 2011

Man up and tell us what you think is necessary, instead of whining about you think I think.

Well, how about freezing all immigration, for starters? Conduct more serious interviews for applicants who want to live in the country, and give immigration officials more discretion. Ask people about their religious beliefs, how observant they are, their views of democracy, pluralism, freedoms, minorities, etc. Ensure they have sufficient language skills for the country to which they emigrating. Ensure they have sufficient education. Cease compassionate family reunification laws that allow for family members to join one another if they don't all pass the screening criteria. Start investigating Islamic groups, press charges against incitement to hate, violence, and sedition. Revoke citizenships. Mass deportations of ex-pat criminals. Deny welfare programs to immigrants and perhaps even second or third generation descendents. Monitors independent education institutions (specifically religious schools), and make efforts to stop indoctrination of hatred through Islamism.

Use your imagination. The threat it real. The efforts to challenge it are virtually non-existent. What's the EDL accomplished? Although slightly different in the sense that illegal Mexican and other Latino immigrants aren't Islamist, even America can't seem to overcome political correctness to do what's necessary to stop t flow of illegal immigrants who are wreaking havoc on the economy and culture - and mass illegal immigration in the USA has been going on for almost half a century, if not longer. So whatever it takes, because doing nothing is simply slow suicide.

Oleg Bach · July 31, 2011

So, Bob, what is your " solution " to the " Islamic problem " seeing as you have already suggested that coverts are often the most hardcore Islamists?

Converts to any movement are always the most fanatical. The fact that a person has a need for conversion shows that person is lacking purpose and cause in life..so once they find a cause they go nuts...It's like a son returning from a trip and is acting odd - then you find out that he has joined a cult...Suicide bombers for instance are usually the most naive and stupid members of Islam - Those that send them out know full well that the bomber does not have a clue what is really going on. Like the shoe bomber...You could tell just by his genetic defects and that stunned look on his face that he was a simple dupe.

In all movements whether they be Nazi - communism or hard core extreme capitalist --need foot soldiers to do the dirty work - These converts or recruits are the first to be moblilized..because they will not question anything - they are robots - It is the puppet masters that are truely evil - not the bombers themselves - Efforts should be made to remove those that want power by using those who have no power to think.

Remiel · July 31, 2011

Well, how about freezing all immigration, for starters? Conduct more serious interviews for applicants who want to live in the country, and give immigration officials more discretion. Ask people about their religious beliefs, how observant they are, their views of democracy, pluralism, freedoms, minorities, etc. Ensure they have sufficient language skills for the country to which they emigrating. Ensure they have sufficient education. Cease compassionate family reunification laws that allow for family members to join one another if they don't all pass the screening criteria. Start investigating Islamic groups, press charges against incitement to hate, violence, and sedition. Revoke citizenships. Mass deportations of ex-pat criminals.

If you are going to allow your xenophobia to dictate policy, why not just introduce such screening for Muslims? We all know those are the people you are really concerned about.

Deny welfare programs to immigrants and perhaps even second or third generation descendents.

Among all the other things you might think I would complain about here, on this I will not mince words: if you hold this view you are an idiot.

Monitors independent education institutions (specifically religious schools), and make efforts to stop indoctrination of hatred through Islamism.

What about other kinds of indoctrination?

Use your imagination. The threat it real. The efforts to challenge it are virtually non-existent. What's the EDL accomplished? Although slightly different in the sense that illegal Mexican and other Latino immigrants aren't Islamist, even America can't seem to overcome political correctness to do what's necessary to stop t flow of illegal immigrants who are wreaking havoc on the economy and culture - and mass illegal immigration in the USA has been going on for almost half a century, if not longer. So whatever it takes, because doing nothing is simply slow suicide.

And what do you plan to do about the Islamist in Muslim countries? Are you really so dense as to think that if you put them somewhere else and forget about them all the problems will go away?

Bob · July 31, 2011

It's not just Muslims , it's just that Muslims make up that largest component of immigrants that have failed to successfully integrate into European societies (overrepresented in all things bad - academic underachievement, disease, involvement in violent and other crimes, dependence on social welfare programs, and aggressively anti-Western culture). Even with more stringent immigration policies, which are a MUST, many Muslims would still be able to immigrate to Western societies provided they can get through sensible screening policies. Like I said, there are several other groups who have largely failed to integrate successfully, which is certainly related to multiculturalism policies and fear of expecting and requiring assimilation/integration - i.e. Caribbean immigrants, certain Eastern-European immigrants, etc. Of course, the most visible, and hostile, group of immigrants that are failing to integrate properly are those from Muslim-majority countries.

As far as Islamism in Muslim-majority countries, well, obviously that problem is a much better problem to have than Islamism in your backyard, as we've seen with the bombings and shootings in London, Madrid, Moscow, Fort Hood, and of course 9/11... to say nothing to foiled attempts in Toronto, Ottawa, NYC, the underwear and shoe bombers, and on and on and on. We need to clean our own houses, first. It's amazing how much you want to dodge this problem. You're literally more concerned with political correctness than dealing with Islamism and its associated terrorism and destruction of our freedoms and cultures.

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Remiel · July 31, 2011

As far as Islamism in Muslim-majority countries, well, obviously that problem is a much better problem to have than Islamism in your backyard, as we've seen with the bombings and shootings in London, Madrid, Moscow, Fort Hood, and of course 9/11... to say nothing to foiled attempts in Toronto, Ottawa, NYC, the underwear and shoe bombers, and on and on and on. We need to clean our own houses, first. It's amazing how much you want to dodge this problem. You're literally more concerned with political correctness than dealing with Islamism and its associated terrorism and destruction of our freedoms and cultures.

No, I am not more concerned with political correctness. I am concerned with the end game; as in the end of civilization.

Oleg Bach · July 31, 2011

I noticed that some of the parks in down town Toronto...are occupied by Muslim families during the summer - they dumb their garbage right on the ground even if there is a can at arms reach...There properties (public houseing) are run down..and they seem to take Canada for granted as if we were dumb indidel suckers..I spoke to this woman at a municipal office - we were talking about the up keep and maintanance of the city - The second I mentioned the word "Muslim" in a negative manner as far as some of them showing great dis-respect for our infrastructure and services - she went red in the face and told me "You can not speak in such a manner in this office" Earlier she told me that she had two jobs...One as a jail guard and the other was being a social worker...she also proudly annouonced to me that she was a "socialist" - She dispised me and said "I have given up on you -----------thank God for that!

Oleg Bach · July 31, 2011

No, I am not more concerned with political correctness. I am concerned with the end game; as in the end of civilization.

The UN - has this international initiative - that the concepts of good and evil should not be taught in our schools --------so I guess that is the ultimate agenda for some - that if you eat shit - you should declare that it is wonderful and everything is good.

Bob · July 31, 2011

No, I am not more concerned with political correctness. I am concerned with the end game; as in the end of civilization.

Do you even acknowledge that Islamisation and Islamism is a threat to Western civilization within our own borders? Or are the concerns I'm expressing here all hysteria and fear/hate-mongering? I find Islamism and Islamisation the threat to Western civilization as we know it, while you seem to think that addressing this threat is in itself the threat to Western civilization. As usual, reality seems to be upside down in your deranged world.

Oleg Bach · July 31, 2011

Do you even acknowledge that Islamisation and Islamism is a threat to Western civilization within our own borders? Or are the concerns I'm expressing here all hysteria and fear/hate-mongering? I find Islamism and Islamisation the threat to Western civilization as we know it, while you seem to think that addressing this threat is in itself the threat to Western civilization. As usual, reality seems to be upside down in your deranged world.

There used to be a time if your wife or children brought some nasty and unsavory person into the house - The father could quietly take the family aside and say "get this person out of here and don't bring them back again" - Now if the father attempts to protect his family - one of his brown shirt kids or wife calls 911 if he so much as raises his voice in protest..The police come and remove the true protector of the family - and in march the weasils to displace him - This is deranged..the family suffers - the kids suffer - the familiar wealth disappears - all in the name of political correctness and some straing utopian idea that does not converve but destroys.

Remiel · July 31, 2011

Do you even acknowledge that Islamisation and Islamism is a threat to Western civilization within our own borders? Or are the concerns I'm expressing here all hysteria and fear/hate-mongering? I find Islamism and Islamisation the threat to Western civilization as we know it, while you seem to think that addressing this threat is in itself the threat to Western civilization. As usual, reality seems to be upside down in your deranged world.

You are a fool. I am not concerned primarily with the end of Western civilization; I am concerned with the end of ALL civilization.

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Bob · July 31, 2011

You are a fool. I am not concerned primarily with the end of Western civilization; I am concerned with the end of ALL civilization.

Ah yes, of course... misplaced universalism. I suppose you think the Islamists are worried about the survival of our cultures and societies when they keep preaching for Islamism to dominate our countries. In the interests of avoiding conflict at all costs, which seems to be your position, we should perhaps start educating our children about Shariah law so that when Islamism finally takes over our countries, there'll be a shorter learning curve.

Remiel · July 31, 2011

Ah yes, of course... misplaced universalism. I suppose you think the Islamists are worried about the survival of our cultures and societies when they keep preaching for Islamism to dominate our countries. In the interests of avoiding conflict at all costs, which seems to be your position, we should perhaps start educating our children about Shariah law so that when Islamism finally takes over our countries, there'll be a shorter learning curve.

I do not think world-wide Islamism is a viable solution, so there goes your theory.

Bob · July 31, 2011

I do not think world-wide Islamism is a viable solution, so there goes your theory.

Do you or do you not recognize the existential and long-term threat of Islamism in our own borders, as well as broader failures of immigration/multiculturalism policies in Europe (and to a lesser extent, in Canada and America), to the survival of our societies and cultures??

CANADIEN · July 31, 2011

You are a fool. I am not concerned primarily with the end of Western civilization; I am concerned with the end of ALL civilization.

Neever mind, that despite what the Islamists wish and some other fear, Western civilization is not about to disappear - not from Islamisation anyway..

Remiel · July 31, 2011

Do you or do you not recognize the existential and long-term threat of Islamism in our own borders, as well as broader failures of immigration/multiculturalism policies in Europe (and to a lesser extent, in Canada and America), to the survival of our societies and cultures??

One of the popular rhetorical sayings of hawkish commentators on the conflict in Afghanistan is, " We have to fight them over here or else we will be fighting them here. " This is completely backwards.

If you want to defeat Islamism, you have you be able to do it in your own strongholds if you hope to be able to do it in theirs. And doing it in theirs is necessary in the long term.

DogOnPorch · July 31, 2011

Do you or do you not recognize the existential and long-term threat of Islamism in our own borders, as well as broader failures of immigration/multiculturalism policies in Europe (and to a lesser extent, in Canada and America), to the survival of our societies and cultures??

I find it ironic that an ideology that was hammering on Europe's door via non-stop warfare for centuries was suddenly allowed in like it was a brand new day.

Europe: Forgive and forget, eh lads?

Islam: Yeah, sure...whatever. Which way to the fertilizer store?

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