Creation of leadership

[Oleg Bach]

What if all the kids in school were given high quality and accurate IQ tests - those with high intelligence would be moved towards postions of leadership - and those with lower IQ levels would be moved to where they belong in our system? What seems to have happened is those of medium intelligence who were born into privledge via economic factors - through their parents activities which were for the most part the raising of wealth by crimminal means...and the installation of their kids in positions of power - Hence the system we have that shows evidence of utter inept failure at every turn. How come the bright people do not run the world? Why is it that some how the shrewd cunning and cruel and stupid have all the power? WE should change that and create a system where honest intelligent children are groomed for postions of leadership - If we do not we are doomed.

[bloodyminded]

What if all the kids in school were given high quality and accurate IQ tests - those with high intelligence would be moved towards postions of leadership - and those with lower IQ levels would be moved to where they belong in our system? What seems to have happened is those of medium intelligence who were born into privledge via economic factors - through their parents activities which were for the most part the raising of wealth by crimminal means...and the installation of their kids in positions of power - Hence the system we have that shows evidence of utter inept failure at every turn. How come the bright people do not run the world? Why is it that some how the shrewd cunning and cruel and stupid have all the power? WE should change that and create a system where honest intelligent children are groomed for postions of leadership - If we do not we are doomed.

IQ tests are, so I understand, somewhat problematic. Further, a high IQ does not denote excellent leadership qualities or moral/ethical tendencies.

For the most part, bright people do run the world. Many of them do a lousy job at it.

[Oleg Bach]

IQ tests are, so I understand, somewhat problematic. Further, a high IQ does not denote excellent leadership qualities or moral/ethical tendencies.

For the most part, bright people do run the world. Many of them do a lousy job at it.

Ethical tendencies as you put it might sound like some sort of mental disorder to what is now becoming the majority. I really don't believe that bright people run the world. There are a lot of commonly evil people in postions of authorship of our future. This goes back to my old mantra that evil and stupidity are kin. The out come of the efforts of supposedly bright people are tending to be of poorer and poorer quality as time passes.

Excellent leadership qualities are a subjective terminology. If a person can rally people to partake in a useless and profitless war...and they follow- does this represent excellence in leadership? The moral factor is also a fleeting concept - Take Rupert Murdoch for instance...He clearly is an excellent leader and is bright enough I suppose - but his ambition and personal drive to achieve seems to in the end lack any hint of a true morality. How to you combine real morality - with intelligence and the charismatic power to create good leaders?

Is it up bringing? Probably so - but those that are from a background based in good ethical and moral behavour might lack the material resourses and the social privledge to push forward a new leader - YOU could be rich and immoral - or rich and moral - or poor and moral and lack the opportunity.

Look at what the American system of generating leaders consists of - what it has inadvertantly evolved into - Take the Bush family - lots of privledge and lack of morality - Or Obama - will less born privledge and lack of common intelligence...for the most part the American system can not bring forth a leader that is not backed by millions of dollars in advertizing costs when it comes to elections. In other words only the rich need run for office - and to be from a rich background - you must come from a background of morality that is dubious to say the least - All great forturnes are for the most part created through some sort of crimminal enterprise - legal and illegal.

So what you get is a candidate from a privleged back ground where normalacy is based in cut throat opportunism and lieing....common fruad...How can we take seriously the son of a bootlegger who's familiar wealth was generted by playing on human weakness and addiction - Or in the case of the Bush family where the wealth was generated through the distribution and selling of arms - to the enemy...who with those arms killed citizens of a nation that your son presides over? It's totally weird that Prescot Bush installed not one president but two - through the wealth and power that domestic betrayal generated...small wonder the Bush presidential tenure was a disaster...what started off in bad faith ended in bad faith, leaving the smell of rot in it's wake.

[dre]

Intelligence and leadership are two completely diferent things.

If you want to see which of those children are leaders, then put them into situations that require cooperation to solve problems. Ask them to build a shelter in the forest or something like that. Watch them and youll get a way better idea of who the natural leaders are then you will off any IQ test.

Iv seen huge failures result from the exact kind of mistake youre making here. Companies in my industry will often promote their brightest and smartest engineers thinking they will also be the best leaders and managers... and a lot of the time it can really backfire on you.

Those things are completely diferent skillsets.

[Oleg Bach]

Intelligence and leadership are two completely diferent things.

If you want to see which of those children are leaders, then put them into situations that require cooperation to solve problems. Ask them to build a shelter in the forest or something like that. Watch them and youll get a way better idea of who the natural leaders are then you will off any IQ test.

Iv seen huge failures result from the exact kind of mistake youre making here. Companies in my industry will often promote their brightest and smartest engineers thinking they will also be the best leaders and managers... and a lot of the time it can really backfire on you.

Those things are completely diferent skillsets.

My ideas were theoritical...I never had faith that a IQ test would bring about good leaders. Experience and natural wisdom might. For instance if someone is going to lead the environmental movement - I would prefere if it was a person that was close to and understood NATURE - no some bright former student of environmental studies that really does not address the art of the protection of nature..in other words - hire the kid with mud between his toes...not the kid who knows how to invent a better garbage cans made out of millions of tons of plastic.

[CitizenX]

I'd rather see a little Emotional intelligence (EI) in leadership. To many of our political leaders are/were lawyers, good at arguing but bad at planning, not to mention heartless A-holes.

[Michael Hardner]

Right now, we need people who can A ) restructure and B ) inspire trust in people.

[Thorn]

What we seem to have now is Marx's dictatorship of the prolotariate. Unfortunately, the prologariate have turned out to be a lumpish group of disinterested opportunists mostly interested in themselves. What we need is a dictatorship of the elites. But how to define the term 'elite'?

IQ tests, as has been stated, are not necessarily an indication of good leadership, as intelligence berift of morality leads to detrimental decisions for everone else. Also, as has been stated, intelligence and leadership don't always go hand in hand. It should not be difficult to determine which youths have natural leadership abilities. Most teachers could probably tell you who they are. If we tested them for intelligence and then put them into special classes where ethics, morality and leadership are taught we ought to turn out a group of superior leaders - though young. Young people rarely have the life experience to produce good judgement, however, as judgement is inextricably linked to life experience as well as intelligence.

I wonder if it's a coincidence that most of today's leaders have led lives of relative ease, without danger or challenge. They generally grow up in reasonably well-off families, had good educations, and family connections to ease them into good jobs or politics. The hardscrabble existence (no welfare, no pogey, hunger, death a constant companion in large families, large scale wars) which produced the great leaders of the past is largely unknown.

Such junior leaders would thus have to be exposed to life experience before their judgement could be relied upon. A stint in the military or police would be helpful, or perhaps in an emergency room or criminal law court. Such leaders should learn all about the sad reality of life at the bottom, amid poverty and hopelessness, but also learn lessons about economic management and how business works. Intimate understanding of the creation and application of law would be good to have, as well. How many of our current leaders can say they have that varied a degree of experience and knowledge? None, I'm aware of. But a program could be designed to instill such knowledge in these 'future leaders', and then they could be installed in minor positions where they would have the chance to learn and grow, or fail.