Shwa Posted July 12, 2011 Report Posted July 12, 2011 This is sure to stir the shitstorm in Pickering and likely all over Durham. Now that the 407 will come across, I imagine you will see the GTA get a little more serious on it's easter frontier. Boomtimes ahead. Pickering a ‘prime location’ for new airport: Transport Canada Chris Alexander, the Conservative MP for Pickering-Ajax, was unavailable for comment Monday night. But in an email to the Star in April, the then-candidate said he was “absolutely opposed to the construction of an airport.” “If elected, I would work with area residents and communities to determine how best to move toward resolution of this issue,” Alexander wrote. Those comments came after he told CPAC in an interview that “if we get a stronger government I think you will see a government that will take action on this issue.” In Monday’s release, Jim Flaherty, minister of finance and responsible for the Greater Toronto Area, said the Pickering Lands provide an “economic and environmental opportunity” through “job creation, economic activity and environmental stewardship.” I am sure The Right Honourable Alexander, at the time of a looming election, was indeed opposed to an airport. But I am betting his "resolution" now includes the airport... Background: Transport Canada Pickering Lands Wikipedia Pickering Lands Quote
jbg Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 Airports have not done wonders for the neighborhoods where JFK (formerly Idlewild) and LaGuardia were built. Airports may be good for the distant city cores they serve but do not create boomtimes for their home neighborhoods. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Shwa Posted July 13, 2011 Author Report Posted July 13, 2011 Airports have not done wonders for the neighborhoods where JFK (formerly Idlewild) and LaGuardia were built. Airports may be good for the distant city cores they serve but do not create boomtimes for their home neighborhoods. Well a 'boomtime' suggests that it will not always be that way, and in this case - coupled with the 407 being extended deep into the Durham Region - I can see there being some pretty significant economic benefit and urban expansion in the Region. However, I'll reserve judgemet at this point as to whether that is good or bad. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 People should stop flying in such frequency...They act as if it is like taking a bus to the next town. They worry about global warming and more and more carbon being in the atmosphere - AT this moment - there are probably 1000 thousand air craft up there where you can not see them..that's a lot of garbage - and for what? So some buisness guy can fly from London to New York - go to lunch and get drunk and fly back? Quote
kimmy Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Would this mean I don't have to travel through the ****hole known as Lester B Pearson next time I head east? If so, I'm all for it. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
TimG Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Would this mean I don't have to travel through the ****hole known as Lester B Pearson next time I head east? If so, I'm all for it.What's your grip against Person? It is one of the better airports I have been through and I go through a lot. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 What's your grip against Person? It is one of the better airports I have been through and I go through a lot. Rather fly out of Buttonville..but then again - I hage flying - "If the good lord wanted us to fly we would have wings" - The world should be made larger again and flying should be banned. Quote
scribblet Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 I'm all for it too, but if you think it's going to be a big storm now, you must not have been around the first time Homes and land were expropriated, but the opposition was so great the plans were deferred. Many of the same protesters are still there so are gearing up to do battle again. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 I'm all for it too, but if you think it's going to be a big storm now, you must not have been around the first time Homes and land were expropriated, but the opposition was so great the plans were deferred. Many of the same protesters are still there so are gearing up to do battle again. I remeber years ago - long stretches of abandoned homes - It was a favorite place for scrap collectors to cruise though to rip out the copper plumbing and wiring. During this deferral - all the homes rotted away - maybe they waited untill those with claims for compenstaion got old and died...and NOW the road is open to stick in some run ways so people can amuze themselves by traveling to other places and seeing how poorly they live.. Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Yeah, once again all the spoils go to Toronto. Hamilton gets screwed again! Since I don't live in the GTA, I would sooner suck on the lit end of a road flare than fly out of Pearson! I used to take a flight to Montreal fairly often and it's the honest to God truth that I would spend more time in gridlock driving from Stoney Creek to Pearson than I did in the air! The folks that run Pearson couldn't care less. They are in the enviable position of being filled to capacity. The excess that falls out of the container is no skin off their nose! Flying out of Mt. Hope/Munro airport was FAR more comfortable! You drove up about 10 minutes before your flight left, parked for free close to the terminal, walked in, handed someone your bags and got on your plane! Coming home was similar. You got off the plane, walked into the terminal, a nice person handed you your bags and you went out the door to your car! 15 minutes later you were home! The fly in the ointment is that the only planes that fly into Hamilton are those smaller "darning needles" that are subject to much more nauseating turbulence! That's all Hamilton is ALLOWED to offer! May every skunk in Southern Ontario take a piss on Pearson Airport! We in Hamilton know when we're being manipulated and we bitterly resent it! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Hamilton needs to go back in time and start again - what a burned out blue collar poop hole that place is. It reminds me of a burned out and tired old industrial American town - that has seen better days and will never see them again - give it up and move...Turn the place into a park or something. Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Hamilton needs to go back in time and start again - what a burned out blue collar poop hole that place is. It reminds me of a burned out and tired old industrial American town - that has seen better days and will never see them again - give it up and move...Turn the place into a park or something. When's the last time you spent any time here, Oleg? Or even came here at all? 1964? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
TimG Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) The fly in the ointment is that the only planes that fly into Hamilton are those smaller "darning needles" that are subject to much more nauseating turbulence! That's all Hamilton is ALLOWED to offer!As a general rule: small airports = small planes, minimal walking. large airports = large planes, lots of walking. I think you have unrealistic expectations for what a large airport can offer. I personally think Toronto airport is a great airport to change planes in (at least compared to other airports of the same size or larger). Edited July 14, 2011 by TimG Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 As a general rule: small airports = small planes, minimal walking. large airports = large planes, lots of walking. I think you have unrealistic expectations for what a large airport can offer. I personally think Toronto airport is a great airport to change plans in (at least compared to other airports of the same size or larger). So instead of a hectic trip west from the core - we will make a hectic trip east to pickering...great - we get to change direction of travel but suffer the same grid lock...a choice of to die by a thousand pin pricks or a thousand nail punctures. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Lets go to Pickering - no lets go to Pearson - how about a high speed rail system to Peason? Take the money from the proposed Pickering project and apply it to making Peason more accessable - When I was a kid we use to go to visit "antie" Hellen at her strawberry farm...I* say lets revert Pickering back to farm land and save money by not having to ship a carton of berries from Chile via air... Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 As a general rule: small airports = small planes, minimal walking. large airports = large planes, lots of walking. I think you have unrealistic expectations for what a large airport can offer. I personally think Toronto airport is a great airport to change planes in (at least compared to other airports of the same size or larger). If you read my post you will see that my problem is not with the facilities at Pearson. Rather, it is the fact that I don't live in Toronto but the "system" is deliberately manipulated to give me no other real choices. Hamilton has the long runways and the facilites. Despite obvious federal and provincial opposition it has developed into a very large cargo airport. Toronto is so bound up in gridlock and choked up from operating over capacity that the couriers said "Screw it!" and set up in Hamilton. They save BAGS of transit time! Unless you're in the business yourself you don't realize that it's not the distance but the time that costs you. Traveling to and from Toronto takes so friggen long on the highways that using Hamilton saves much time, despite the extra kilometres. Hamilton could easily support the larger planes with sufficient passenger volume but the governments just won't give them to Hamilton. Many people don't realize that in Canada air lines and routes are not at all a free market. Governments, especially the Feds, control everything. So those of us who live outside of the GTA are pretty well forced to fight the traffic on the hwys. As I said, I would spend more time driving than flying to get to Montreal! I'm surprised more flyers just don't stop their cars on the side of the 403, get out and scream "I'm mad as hell and I won't take it anymore!" It's the tantalizing lure of having a better option right in front of your nose that you can't have because governments favour Toronto that makes it so infuriating! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Smallc Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 The fly in the ointment is that the only planes that fly into Hamilton are those smaller "darning needles" that are subject to much more nauseating turbulence! That's all Hamilton is ALLOWED to offer! Like Westjet 737s, you mean? No. The reality is, Hamilton is close enough to Toronto that it doesn't make sense to offer many flights out of there. That's why Air Canada left. Their main hub is Pearson, and it's right next door. Quote
Smallc Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Would this mean I don't have to travel through the ****hole known as Lester B Pearson next time I head east? If so, I'm all for it. -k ummm...what? I've never been to terminal 3 (because I don't like Westjet all that much), but terminal 1 is awesome. Canada, as a whole, has really good airports (well, at least the ones I've been to - Ottawa, Halifax, Montreal, Quebec City, and soon, Winnipeg. Calgary, Vancouver, and Vancouver have awesome facilities as well). Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Pickering was once a very prime location for farm land - lets do us a long term favour and use this precious soil again..why cover it up with run ways and buildings? We will regret it in 40 years when there are severe food shortages - but of course we will not be around...but our kids will be. Quote
Wild Bill Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Like Westjet 737s, you mean? No. The reality is, Hamilton is close enough to Toronto that it doesn't make sense to offer many flights out of there. That's why Air Canada left. Their main hub is Pearson, and it's right next door. If that's true, then why does it make sense that its cargo business has just exploded? The cargo lands at Hamilton, close to Toronto. Again, my point is that Hamilton is NOT close to Toronto! It may be close on a map but in terms of time it can be hours away. 10 years ago if I had a sales call to make in Mississauga at 9:00 am I would have to leave Stoney Creek at 7:00 to be sure of making it on time. Even then, there were times when I was late! The gridlock is even more brutal now. There were one or two mornings when I could have driven to Montreal faster than the total trip including car travel to Pearson and back home! Unless you yourself are one of the poor unfortunates who have to make that commute every day I guess you just can't see it. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Smallc Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Well, you can still fly out of Hamilton anyway...you just have to go to Calgary for most of the year. Air Canada, btw, does not operate cargo services out of Hamilton, so your point is meaningless...and Hamilton is close to Toronto. Take the GO or VIA if you don't like driving. You can take the bus or a Taxi from there. It won't take long. Quote
guyser Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Hamilton could easily support the larger planes with sufficient passenger volume but the governments just won't give them to Hamilton. Many people don't realize that in Canada air lines and routes are not at all a free market. Governments, especially the Feds, control everything. WB , if it is such a hassle to drive from somewhere around Hamilton to Pearson, what diff does it make if someone has to drive from TO to Hamilton to catch a flight/ Gridlock goes both ways and yes I have done the daily commute to Hamilton (many years ago) and know what it is like. But really, dumping on TO cuz they get another airport when in fact the Pickering airport makes perfect sense when you look at the population numbers for the east zone of GTA and extend it to Kingston and area vs the Hamilton St Kitts Niagara region. Hell, Buffalo has an Int'l airport that plenty of golden horseshoe residents use....and its cheaper ! Pearson is expensive....highest landing fees in the world ! Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 As a boy..Pickering was a long ride to get too - we would wind down the back roads all the way - WE would get to Aunt Hellen's strawberry farm...that's all I know about Pickering...I suggest we go back to growing strawberries because I can't stand those un-ripe - hard and bitter berries that taste like crap that we ship here by air. Forget the airport - we need good home grown produce again! Quote
guyser Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 As a boy..Pickering was a long ride to get too - we would wind down the back roads all the way - WE would get to Aunt Hellen's strawberry farm...that's all I know about Pickering...I suggest we go back to growing strawberries because I can't stand those un-ripe - hard and bitter berries that taste like crap that we ship here by air. Forget the airport - we need good home grown produce again! Yea....um maybe we could get you your own forum for food and all the other stuff you post or we could just rename this OlBachWeb? Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 15, 2011 Report Posted July 15, 2011 Yea....um maybe we could get you your own forum for food and all the other stuff you post or we could just rename this OlBachWeb? I was getting sick of me long before you were getting sick of me. Take the floor and you had better come up with something informative - entertaining and ..............can't think of anything else....OLbachweb....? No - I like the brighter and more colourful people on the site - call me when Bush Cheney shows up. Quote
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