Michael Hardner Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Article Shark fin soup, a Chinese delicacy served in restaurants around the world, may soon be banned in the city of Toronto because of the inhumane way the sharks are captured, killed, and de-finned. On Monday, three Toronto City Councillors began a campaign to put an end to shark fin soup in the city, with the goals of collecting 10,000 signatures to stand up for animal rights and endangered species. ... According to WildAid, 73 million sharks are slaughtered every year, just for their fins - a practice that is leading many shark species closer to extinction than ever before. We've been discussing the ineffectiveness of global standards for environmental laws. I'd like a global body - even an elected global body - to provide standards, based on the basic idea that environmental issues don't stop at the border. But local governments have also been acting, and it's more difficult to uproot local laws across a nation, with many legislative bodies with different rules involved. What do you think ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 What do you think ? I think the demand for shark fin soup will rise in Markham. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Hardner Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Me too. I also think that overall demand will go down. It's sad that we have to make progress one town at a time. It would be better if our world government were more responsive. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Me too. I also think that overall demand will go down. Really? Have any of your non Chinese friends ever said, "Gosh I feel like a nice bowl of Shark Fin Soup!" It's a cultural thing...from a culture that finds eating live snakes yummy... or...if you prefer fish... Weird fish and seafood dishes include fish lips and eyeballs and drunken shrimp, a delicacy in which live shrimp are dipped in alcohol, and their head is pinched off and eaten. Sweet-and-sour Yellow River fish is cooked while it is still alive and served while still breathing. http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=146&catid=11&subcatid=73 I have had shark steak..prefer Tuna....Though, if you are eating shark steak, why let the fins go to waste?....on the other hand, throwing out the loin for the fin is not frugal at all... Those who can afford and like fins, will buy fins... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
AngusThermopyle Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 They should ban it everywhere. Sharks are an apex predator and play an important role in the oceans ecosystem. To drive them into extinction for what amounts to a status symbol is criminal. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Michael Hardner Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Really? Have any of your non Chinese friends ever said, "Gosh I feel like a nice bowl of Shark Fin Soup!" It's a cultural thing...from a culture that finds eating live snakes yummy... Less availability=less demand. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 I have had shark steak..prefer Tuna....Though, if you are eating shark steak, why let the fins go to waste?....on the other hand, throwing out the loin for the fin is not frugal at all... Those who can afford and like fins, will buy fins... Not if they're not on the menu. More barriers will make the option less attractive. Eventually they'll have to drive to Hong Kong to get it. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
KeyStone Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Really? Have any of your non Chinese friends ever said, "Gosh I feel like a nice bowl of Shark Fin Soup!" It's a cultural thing...from a culture that finds eating live snakes yummy... or...if you prefer fish... http://factsanddetails.com/china.php?itemid=146&catid=11&subcatid=73 I have had shark steak..prefer Tuna....Though, if you are eating shark steak, why let the fins go to waste?....on the other hand, throwing out the loin for the fin is not frugal at all... Those who can afford and like fins, will buy fins... Ahh, I see you're all free market on this. Surpise! There will be some that will get around this, but by making it illegal, it means that businesses won't be able to advertise it or put it on the menu, and they'll be a little nervous when people order it. This will limit demand. Ideally, this will spread to other municipalities, and eventually the province, for some real progress. The odds of it happening nationally are next to zero with our current government. While I agree with you that it is silly to make the fin illegal if the entire shark is used, I don't know if there are any solutions to allow for that, without having every shop keeper and restaurant owner claim that the fin came from a shark that was fully harvested. Until the ban is spread further, the fisherman that use the whole shark will have little trouble finding a market for the fin itself. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Ahh, I see you're all free market on this. Surpise! You see bugger all. No surprise. It is the natural result of encouraging immigration and not encouraging assimilation. I hear that if you look hard, you can find dog and cat on the menu too... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 It would be better if our world government were more responsive. It would be far better if world government was disbanded. It is a collosal waste of money. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Oleg Bach Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Ban the crap ....it tastes like carboard...also give a hard slap in the head of the retarded Pacific rimmers that believe that the more slow and painful the death of an animal the sweeter the meat - bizzare practices of pagan lunitics having Rhino horn tea because they think it will increase sexual drive and performance...not wanting to sound racist but those from the far east have some idotic beliefs...about money - food - social status amoungst other things...time to tell the jerks to shut up and think straight...dumping sharks back into the water finless would be like shooting a dear and cutting off a foot because the left rear hoof is magical and a status symbol...Things like shark fin soup create contempt of the whole asian race.... Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Not too often I agree with you Oleg but this time for the most part I do. There was a show about this very subject on History or Discovery (can't remember which) about a week ago. It is truly barbaric, a lot of the time they do exactly what you stated. They cut the dorsal fin off and dump the fish back into the water to die. The practise is driven both by status and primitive ignorant superstion. Even though its considered to be a delicacy it is indeed almost tasteless, however it is also very expensive, hence the status part. The superstition part stems from the unfounded belief that sharks do not suffer from sickness or disease. Actual research has shown that sharks do indeed suffer from sickness and disease. That doesn't matter though, this is a practise that has a cultural basis, as such facts will have very little impact on it. On a related note the illegal poaching of Canadian bears has skyrocketed as the Asian market will pay big bucks for the gall bladders. Once more they believe that they impart health and sexual prowess to the user. Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Michael Hardner Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Posted June 16, 2011 It would be far better if world government was disbanded. It is a collosal waste of money. Does that include the WTO and such advocates of industry ? In other words, do you want to disband those elements of government that balance power away from the wealthy only ? Are you an anarchist ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
KeyStone Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Does that include the WTO and such advocates of industry ? In other words, do you want to disband those elements of government that balance power away from the wealthy only ? Are you an anarchist ? He wants to disband world governments because they don't take Israel's side often enough for his liking. He wants a world government that says, "Hey, go ahead kill as many Palestinian kids as you need to, we understand" Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 He wants to disband world governments because they don't take Israel's side often enough for his liking. He wants a world government that says, "Hey, go ahead kill as many Palestinian kids as you need to, we understand" And what exactly does this rant have to do with the topic at hand? Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
Oleg Bach Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 And what exactly does this rant have to do with the topic at hand? Fixations. Quote
jbg Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 It would be far better if world government was disbanded. It is a collosal waste of money. Does that include the WTO and such advocates of industry ? In other words, do you want to disband those elements of government that balance power away from the wealthy only ? Are you an anarchist ? He wants to disband world governments because they don't take Israel's side often enough for his liking. He wants a world government that says, "Hey, go ahead kill as many Palestinian kids as you need to, we understand" And what exactly does this rant have to do with the topic at hand? I was responding to a request that world government intervene, I guess, to ban shark fin soup. I suggested that world government was a terrible idea. Keystone followed with his bigoted rant. To answer Keystone the monsters use children as human shields. Israel cannot stop self-defense in deference to a human shield, whether Heather (or is it Rachel) Corrie or some other child or child-minded person used to leverage public relations. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Sir Bandelot Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 To answer Keystone the monsters use children as human shields. Israel cannot stop self-defense in deference to a human shield, whether Heather (or is it Rachel) Corrie or some other child or child-minded person used to leverage public relations. Speaking of monsters, I really wish they would get rid of the live lobsters they sell in tanks at Loblaws. Is there a loblaws lobster liberation movement? I want to join Quote
jbg Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Speaking of monsters, I really wish they would get rid of the live lobsters they sell in tanks at Loblaws. Is there a loblaws lobster liberation movement? I want to join Jews don't eat lobsters. I suppose they could have a bomb strapped to them for the purpose of slaughtering recreational boaters. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Jews don't eat lobsters. Har....I can tell you for a fact, they do. They also fornicate, blaspheme and enjoy garlic shrimp and even have an occasional BLT. But they got the honouring the mother part down pat... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Bob Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) Me too. I also think that overall demand will go down. It's sad that we have to make progress one town at a time. It would be better if our world government were more responsive. People like you who wish to centralize more power into "world government" are one of the worst ideological cancers around today. Thankfully, this ultra-leftist ideology is collapsing. How anybody can support increased "global governance" in this day and age suggests one of two things. Either you are massively ignorant of the failures and ultra-politicization of "international institutions" (namely the UN and its subsidiaries), or you actually support this messed up system and wish to empower them even further. As far as the inhumane manner in which sharks are often killed for their fins, there are much better ways to address it than to make it an agenda item for some type of global bureaucracy. Edited June 17, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Jews don't eat lobsters. My own personal experince suggests you might qualify that statement. I have no idea of the number of Jews who routinely break such out-of-date religious taboos, but I suspect it's very high. To their credit. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
jbg Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 My own personal experince suggests you might qualify that statement. I have no idea of the number of Jews who routinely break such out-of-date religious taboos, but I suspect it's very high. To their credit. I should have said "Orthodox" Jews since I certainly eat plenty of lobster, shrimp and pork. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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