jbg Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Conrad Black, in a recent editorial reprinted, with permission, in the online New York Sun said it perfectly. Link to artcile, excerpts below.Canada has, to an extent, taken over the leadership of the free world in supporting the State of Israel against the Arabs, now called "Palestininians". The Palestininian movement has no plans for what to do with an independent Palestine other than to continue fighting. They are not prepared to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Harper has it right. Canada Emerges as a Moral Leader by Standing Up for Israel By CONRAD BLACK, Special to the Sun | June 5, 2011 As befits a modest country unaccustomed to leading the world other than by homogenized measurements of the quality of life, Canada seems not to have noticed that Stephen Harper has kicked off his new term as head of a majority government with the assumption of the moral leadership of the world (in the usual unobtrusive Canadian way); and even more astoundingly, has done so by successfully contradicting the president of the United States. ********************** But at the G-8 meetings in Paris last month, Stephen Harper prevented the group’s approval of Barack Obama’s call for Arab-Israeli peace “on the basis of the 1967 borders.” It was an outright veto by Canada, standing up to the Americans, and in non-confrontational dissent to all the others, who were prepared to let this stale bromide pass yet again. Mr. Harper had done the same thing at a Francophonie Conference in 2006, but that was only France, which has been playing footsie with the Arabs ever since Charles de Gaulle departed Algeria in 1963, leaving the oil behind and importing the Islamic problem into France. By killing it in the G-8 (U.S., Germany, Japan, the U.K., France, Italy, and Russia), Stephen Harper became the moral leader of the world’s statesmen, as the first head of an important country to debunk the 1967 fraud upon which the Arab-Israeli crisis, the longest-running and most definitive moral litmus test in the geo-political world (and least successful extended negotiation in history) is based. ********************* Those who oppose the existence of the State of Israel, for whatever motive, know that unless there is an unanswerable nuclear attack on Israel, which will not be possible even if Iran deploys deliverable nuclear weapons, given Israel’s retaliatory capability, Israel can be eliminated only by extracting gradual concessions. Keep bickering about settlements, while Palestine receives international recognition as an independent state; keep arguing about borders as the Palestinian population bulks up from returning alleged fugitives on both sides of the disputed and indefensible border; and never agree until the two states are one big, happy bi-sectarian and multi-cultural commonwealth. Then, absorb, enslave, expel, or massacre the Jews, yet again, as so often in their history, while the world sits in professedly righteous silence. It might be that the world would be a quieter place without Israel. Europe, desperate for non-Muslim immigration, especially of skilled people, would probably admit the Jews, as would the countries of the Americas and the Antipodes, unlike the policy of most of the countries in these areas in the 1930s and 1940s, when half the world’s Jewish population was murdered, in what Mr. Churchill called “the long night of Nazi barbarism … made more sinister and more protracted by the lights of perverted science.” But it would be a collective capital crime on the soul and conscience of Western Civilization. If what Obama, heir to the presidents who saved the Old World, sponsored Israel, and contained and defeated totalitarian communism, is advocating comes to pass, our civilization, morally, will die before, and less honorably, than that of the Jews, from which it came. And only Stephen Harper and the incumbent pope, among the world’s prominent current leaders, will have seriously dissented. Whatever may come, Mr. Harper has brought great distinction on Canada, largely unrecognized, as proverbially happens among one’s countrymen, and upon himself. Edited June 5, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bjre Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 Whenever a politician unable to solve real economic problems, such as too high tax and money shortage for public, they always try to pretend they were doing "political correct" and seek issues as far away as possible. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Tilter Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 Whenever a politician unable to solve real economic problems, such as too high tax and money shortage for public, they always try to pretend they were doing "political correct" and seek issues as far away as possible. This has to be wrong---- remember--- harper "tarred Canada's reputation internationally" and is responsible for all the worlds problems because he personally caused them (at least that's what the defeated, downhearted grits on this forum say) Quote
Topaz Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 When a leader stands up against most other leaders in the world over a certain topic, they better make darn sure they are going the right thing. This is more personal for Harper and I'm not sure were the rest of Canadians standing on Israel is the same of his. Since its Israel, Harper is standing by, does he put a "X" on his back and maybe Canadians, since the hatred between the two countries, that being Israel and the Palestine. Does he put our soldiers in more danger by voicing his own opinion? Only time will tell. Quote
sharkman Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 And yet another anti-Harper post by Topaz. I think it's going to be a long 4 years for you buddy. Quote
Battletoads Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Conrad Black knows all about morals right? And standing up for a country with a laughable human rights record to win a few votes is just pathetic. Here's a question, why does this unimportant country get mentioned every other day by our prime minister? It's not like they a great trading partner or ally... Edited June 5, 2011 by Battletoads Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Guest Derek L Posted June 5, 2011 Report Posted June 5, 2011 Conrad Black knows all about morals right? And standing up for a country with a laughable human rights record to win a few votes is just pathetic. Here's a question, why does this unimportant country get mentioned every other day by our prime minister? It's not like they a great trading partner or ally... Unimportant? Israel is mentioned nearly daily in every major form of media….some think it’s important this would tend to prove, or do you feel the Zionists control the media? As for not being a “great trading partner or alley” and I’ll add, by percentage, not one of the largest ethic/religious communities within Canada, one would have to ask why Harper supports Israel? Aside from deploying a very small contingent of UN peacekeepers in the region, and on a few occasions the Mossad “borrowing” Canadian passports, Canada-Israel relations has been what one could call uneventful. We don’t seek Israeli natural resources, nor have vast Israel interests in our domestic economy, so this clearly shows no hidden vested interests within the region. Perhaps is doing what he feels is morally right, taking the road less traveled is not always the easiest choice…….Many though Churchill to be a unbalanced, out of touch drunk in the early to mid 30s when he opposed Nazi Germany. Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Conrad Black, in a recent editorial reprinted, with permission, in the online New York Sun said it perfectly. Link to artcile, excerpts below.Canada has, to an extent, taken over the leadership of the free world in supporting the State of Israel against the Arabs, now called "Palestininians". The Palestininian movement has no plans for what to do with an independent Palestine other than to continue fighting. They are not prepared to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Harper has it right. Canada Emerges as a Moral Leader by Standing Up for Israel By CONRAD BLACK, Special to the Sun | June 5, 2011 As befits a modest country unaccustomed to leading the world other than by homogenized measurements of the quality of life, Canada seems not to have noticed that Stephen Harper has kicked off his new term as head of a majority government with the assumption of the moral leadership of the world (in the usual unobtrusive Canadian way); and even more astoundingly, has done so by successfully contradicting the president of the United States. ********************** But at the G-8 meetings in Paris last month, Stephen Harper prevented the group’s approval of Barack Obama’s call for Arab-Israeli peace “on the basis of the 1967 borders.” It was an outright veto by Canada, standing up to the Americans, and in non-confrontational dissent to all the others, who were prepared to let this stale bromide pass yet again. Mr. Harper had done the same thing at a Francophonie Conference in 2006, but that was only France, which has been playing footsie with the Arabs ever since Charles de Gaulle departed Algeria in 1963, leaving the oil behind and importing the Islamic problem into France. By killing it in the G-8 (U.S., Germany, Japan, the U.K., France, Italy, and Russia), Stephen Harper became the moral leader of the world’s statesmen, as the first head of an important country to debunk the 1967 fraud upon which the Arab-Israeli crisis, the longest-running and most definitive moral litmus test in the geo-political world (and least successful extended negotiation in history) is based. ********************* Those who oppose the existence of the State of Israel, for whatever motive, know that unless there is an unanswerable nuclear attack on Israel, which will not be possible even if Iran deploys deliverable nuclear weapons, given Israel’s retaliatory capability, Israel can be eliminated only by extracting gradual concessions. Keep bickering about settlements, while Palestine receives international recognition as an independent state; keep arguing about borders as the Palestinian population bulks up from returning alleged fugitives on both sides of the disputed and indefensible border; and never agree until the two states are one big, happy bi-sectarian and multi-cultural commonwealth. Then, absorb, enslave, expel, or massacre the Jews, yet again, as so often in their history, while the world sits in professedly righteous silence. It might be that the world would be a quieter place without Israel. Europe, desperate for non-Muslim immigration, especially of skilled people, would probably admit the Jews, as would the countries of the Americas and the Antipodes, unlike the policy of most of the countries in these areas in the 1930s and 1940s, when half the world’s Jewish population was murdered, in what Mr. Churchill called “the long night of Nazi barbarism … made more sinister and more protracted by the lights of perverted science.” But it would be a collective capital crime on the soul and conscience of Western Civilization. If what Obama, heir to the presidents who saved the Old World, sponsored Israel, and contained and defeated totalitarian communism, is advocating comes to pass, our civilization, morally, will die before, and less honorably, than that of the Jews, from which it came. And only Stephen Harper and the incumbent pope, among the world’s prominent current leaders, will have seriously dissented. Whatever may come, Mr. Harper has brought great distinction on Canada, largely unrecognized, as proverbially happens among one’s countrymen, and upon himself. Harper is a world leading statesman and has clearly proven that Canada can and will express her own independent opinions regardless of what the EU, the UK, or the Oboma nation to the south have to say. Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 This has to be wrong---- remember--- harper "tarred Canada's reputation internationally" and is responsible for all the worlds problems because he personally caused them (at least that's what the defeated, downhearted grits on this forum say) The grits' brains are in the terminal stage of political syphilis. Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 And yet another anti-Harper post by Topaz. I think it's going to be a long 4 years for you buddy. And, Topaz is trying to convince us that he's being so thoughtful and concerned about the safety of his fellow citizens. Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Conrad Black knows all about morals right? And standing up for a country with a laughable human rights record to win a few votes is just pathetic. Here's a question, why does this unimportant country get mentioned every other day by our prime minister? It's not like they a great trading partner or ally... Black's morals are considerably less tainted than your idol Chretch or "Tug" Layton. Quote
jbg Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Posted June 6, 2011 Harper is a world leading statesman and has clearly proven that Canada can and will express her own independent opinions regardless of what the EU, the UK, or the Oboma nation to the south have to say. Harper continues in Canada's great tradition burnished at the Plains of Abraham, Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach. The latter was to save France's arse so don't get going on me by mentioning the Plains of Abraham. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Battletoads Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Unimportant? Israel is mentioned nearly daily in every major form of media….some think it’s important this would tend to prove, or do you feel the Zionists control the media? The Jewish Lobby does indeed have a huge influence over western media. As for not being a “great trading partner or alley” and I’ll add, by percentage, not one of the largest ethic/religious communities within Canada, one would have to ask why Harper supports Israel? Harper's christian social-conservative base supports Israel, mostly due to their insane beliefs. Aside from deploying a very small contingent of UN peacekeepers in the region, and on a few occasions the Mossad “borrowing” Canadian passports, You mean stealing the identities of Canadians to commit murder? Perhaps is doing what he feels is morally right, taking the road less traveled is not always the easiest choice…….Many though Churchill to be a unbalanced, out of touch drunk in the early to mid 30s when he opposed Nazi Germany. Comparing Stephen Harper to Churchill? Churchill was a man who generally stood up for what he believed in, whilst Stephen Harper is afraid of even his backbenchers stating the parties social conservative views. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Topaz Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 And, Topaz is trying to convince us that he's being so thoughtful and concerned about the safety of his fellow citizens. Well, you wrong on one issue and yes on the other one. First, HE is a SHE and I am concerned of what could happen to other Canadians when our PM or any other leader, decides their views on a issue. By singling out Israel as Harper has or any other country for that matter, the leader should think of the pros and the cons of how the reactions to his view within the Middle-East , especially. Quote
Battletoads Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Black's morals are considerably less tainted than your idol Chretch or "Tug" Layton. Really, neither are convicted criminals... Is this who the Cons are putting their faith in now, the scum of society? Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
jbg Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Posted June 6, 2011 (edited) The Jewish Lobby does indeed have a huge influence over western media.Ah yes, another Jew-hater I see. How about we get ahead on merit? There are plenty of non-Jews in the media, too.Harper's christian social-conservative base supports Israel, mostly due to their insane beliefs.Harper did not call an end of the world for May 21. His opponents did, however, on May 2, 2011.You mean stealing the identities of Canadians to commit murder?You mean the execution of people who organize assaults on school buses? Comparing Stephen Harper to Churchill? Churchill was a man who generally stood up for what he believed in, whilst Stephen Harper is afraid of even his backbenchers stating the parties social conservative views. Maybe some of the backbenchers have the "insane beliefs" you decry. Maybe governments belong governing, not indulging the tangents offar-out people. Edited June 6, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Posted June 6, 2011 ...the leader should think of the pros and the cons of how the reactions to his view within the Middle-East , especially. Last I checked Israel is in the Middle East. Perhaps the only country there where people work, rather than being born, receive U.N. or oil succor, learn to fight, then fight, reproduce, and either die or get killed. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Evening Star Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Black's morals are considerably less tainted than your idol Chretch or "Tug" Layton. This statement is truly incredible! Quote
Guest Derek L Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 The Jewish Lobby does indeed have a huge influence over western media. Have any sources? Harper's christian social-conservative base supports Israel, mostly due to their insane beliefs. The same base that forced(or in the future will force) Harper’s hand into banning gay marriage and abortion? The same base that formed the Christian heritage party? You mean stealing the identities of Canadians to commit murder? As far as I know, they didn’t steal the identities of any Canadians, just assumed the identity of Canadians...Personally, if they wanted to kill the head of Hamas and Black September, I wouldn’t care if they stole my passport...... Comparing Stephen Harper to Churchill? Churchill was a man who generally stood up for what he believed in, whilst Stephen Harper is afraid of even his backbenchers stating the parties social conservative views. Harper, like Churchill, is a very shrewd leader and a master of Realpolitik….Would Layton be so supportive of the socialist caucuses views? I’d suggest you research his time as Chancellor of the Exchequer and his subsequent return to the mainstream after his “wilderness years”…. Churchill’s and Harper’s form of leadership and control of cabinet (and other subordinates) is very similar.. Quote
Sandy MacNab Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Really, neither are convicted criminals... Is this who the Cons are putting their faith in now, the scum of society? Cretch "The Strangler" is a bully and a goon. If you don't remember Adscam and Shawinigate you have a poor memory. And, Layton was lucky. Quote
Battletoads Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Cretch "The Strangler" is a bully and a goon. If you don't remember Adscam and Shawinigate you have a poor memory. And, Layton was lucky. Really, we're just going in circles here. Lets just agree that you hold the opinion of a convicted criminal in high regard, whereas I do not. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Battletoads Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 As far as I know, they didn’t steal the identities of any Canadians, just assumed the identity of Canadians...Personally, if they wanted to kill the head of Hamas and Black September, I wouldn’t care if they stole my passport...... You have no problem with foreign states stealing Canadian identities to kill their enemies? So if China wanted to take out a pro-democracy leader you'd be a-ok with your identity being used? And yes, assuming someones identity is stealing their identity. Some criminals use an assumed identity to steal money, others use it to commit murder. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
Battletoads Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 Ah yes, another Jew-hater I see. Comeback when you have an argument. Quote "You can lead a Conservative to knowledge, but you can't make him think."
WIP Posted June 6, 2011 Report Posted June 6, 2011 After the recent massacre of unarmed Palestinians on Israel's border with Syria, our newfound policy of supporting everything Israel does is not moral leadership; it's the exact opposite! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
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