punked Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 What you're trying to quote is this: I have no idea what you mean by "trying to quote" then is exactly what I quoted and it says just what I said. The government gets last say because the bank is A GOVERNMENT organization. The Finance minster can't write Royal Bank a letter and tell them what to do, only the bank of Canada. Sorry just because you pretend to be correcting me doesn't mean you actually are. You look silly and petty on that one. As RNG pointed out, like powers given to the Queen, convention states they're never used. As I pointed out History is full of powers and convention that were never used until they were used. That doesn't change the fact that the law is the law and like the PM in the 80s these laws were written to be used at some point. Remember when the opposition tried to take over parliament like 2 years ago and Harper used a Convention that was "never" used in a situation "no one ever" thought would happen? Nope? Figured as much. So again, is the NDP in favour of setting Canadian monetary policy? So again the NDP position is the same AS ALL THE OTHER PARTIES: "In case of a profound disagreement between the government and the Bank, the Minister of Finance can issue written instructions for the Bank to change its policies." Quote
Guest Derek L Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 The price of gas in those provinces has always been higher then the rest of Canada. Attributing it to regulation makes you look like you don't understand that. Again the regulation does not make the price higher it makes it stable so rural stations can not go out of business. I know you hate rural gas stations but that is the price we pay to have them with subsidizing them. I repeat regulation DOES NOT make the price higher. That is dumb argument. So when Layton is talking about regulating heating fuel prices, he's doing it for ESSO's intrests We aren't afraid of our history their are countless books and writings on it. I encourage you to read up you will find some really great things. There is no real socialist past in the NDP only someone who knows nothing about the History would claim such a thing that is the problem. People like yourself who know nothing but pretend they speak for the party make statements that are lies. So you get what you get. If you want actually talk about our history we can however for you to make claims you can not actually substantiate makes you look dumb and makes me not want to talk to you. Didn't you just say earlier that the NDP chased out the socilaists? Also, I've never pretended to speak for the NDP or presented myself as an agent there of. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I have no idea what you mean by "trying to quote" then is exactly what I quoted and it says just what I said. The government gets last say because the bank is A GOVERNMENT organization. The Finance minster can't write Royal Bank a letter and tell them what to do, only the bank of Canada. Sorry just because you pretend to be correcting me doesn't mean you actually are. You look silly and petty on that one. As I pointed out History is full of powers and convention that were never used until they were used. That doesn't change the fact that the law is the law and like the PM in the 80s these laws were written to be used at some point. Remember when the opposition tried to take over parliament like 2 years ago and Harper used a Convention that was "never" used in a situation "no one ever" thought would happen? Nope? Figured as much. So again the NDP position is the same AS ALL THE OTHER PARTIES: "In case of a profound disagreement between the government and the Bank, the Minister of Finance can issue written instructions for the Bank to change its policies." So Layton never mused about changing the intrest rates? Quote
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I see all the "Let the free market reign!" yutz's are all in a tizzy... Somehow,I don't think the "Red Scare" tactics are going to work on anyone other than the free marketeering Con's that are tinfoil hatting things here... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) punked is right about the regulation of gas prices. I live in NB and the prices didn't jump when regulations took effect, nor did they drop. It did, however, make the prices more stable, so one gas station couldn't drop/raise its price by $0.10 during the morning and evening commutes to gouge customers. The other thing that happened was big chain stations were selling at a loss (or break-even) to push out the smaller competitors that couldn't afford to do this. Regulation just created stability. The government by no means "controls" the price of fuel. Edited May 11, 2011 by cybercoma Quote
bloodyminded Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 No, I do not. Let the market set them. There are enough credit card companies that the competition should do it. Now, there is a need for some regulation, or at least the firm application of existing laws. This is based on an internet search for my son who asked a question about a company that offered a credit card at a very low rate. I googled it and found a bitch site where all kinds of people were dumping on that particular company. I guess their favorite trick was to advertise a very low rate, but if you were late paying, the rate skyrocketed. So they would mail you your bill one day before it was due. Well, neither Canada Post nor the US postal service are that good. A total rip-off. That kind of thing needs to be addressed harshly. Why? that is "market freedom" in its purest sense. It turns out that everyone--aside from a few libertarian anarchists, who are clinically insane--believes in government interventioin in the market. Everyone. So our actual arguments are about degree. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I see all the "Let the free market reign!" yutz's are all in a tizzy... Somehow,I don't think the "Red Scare" tactics are going to work on anyone other than the free marketeering Con's that are tinfoil hatting things here... No, most Canadians are not perceiving the Soviet tanks rolling into Hungary just yet. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
madmax Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Some excerpts from the NDP constitution That the production and distribution of goods and services shall be directed to meeting the social and individual needs of people within a sustainable environment and economy and not to the making of profit Nice quote Mr. Canada. A good way to understand this is WATER Should one put the profit of Water ahead of the Social and Individual needs that water provides? Quote
bloodyminded Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Nice quote Mr. Canada. A good way to understand this is WATER Should one put the profit of Water ahead of the Social and Individual needs that water provides? They once tried that in Bolivia. The people revolted. I don't blame them in the slightest. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Why? that is "market freedom" in its purest sense. It turns out that everyone--aside from a few libertarian anarchists, who are clinically insane--believes in government interventioin in the market. Everyone. So our actual arguments are about degree. To a certain extent, yes, but in this particular example, we have, in my opinion, sufficient existing laws to handle it. I can't see why this couldn't be prosecuted as fraud. I would guess that given the limited resources of our police, and the ever growing gang violence and shootings, the cops figure they have bigger fish to fry. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
bloodyminded Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 To a certain extent, yes, but in this particular example, we have, in my opinion, sufficient existing laws to handle it. I can't see why this couldn't be prosecuted as fraud. Sure, well, I wasn't defending them. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Sure, well, I wasn't defending them. I didn't mean to suggest you were. What I am saying is that this is a situation where our existing laws should be handling it, and we don't need more regulation. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
bloodyminded Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) I didn't mean to suggest you were. What I am saying is that this is a situation where our existing laws should be handling it, and we don't need more regulation. Yes, I see what you mean. I wasn't thinking of you, so much as those who keep telling me that there's way too much regulation, and that something approximating zero would be preferable. Edited May 11, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest Derek L Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Nice quote Mr. Canada. A good way to understand this is WATER Should one put the profit of Water ahead of the Social and Individual needs that water provides? Well, water is a commodity..... Would you be in favor of giving, say California, as much clean & crisp BC water as they wanted for free? Quote
Wild Bill Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Well, water is a commodity..... Would you be in favor of giving, say California, as much clean & crisp BC water as they wanted for free? Well, I know that myself, I would be in favour of SELLING California as much "clean and crisp BC water" as BC feels it can safely spare! One would assume that BC would know far better than Ottawa or anyone else just how much fresh water it has in excess. The province itself should control its own resource, putting limits on how much the Americans could buy. Also, it goes without saying that the money should go to BC and NOT Ottawa! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
punked Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Well, water is a commodity..... Would you be in favor of giving, say California, as much clean & crisp BC water as they wanted for free? No it isn't. There is a reason Canada MADE SURE they left it out of NAFTA. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 No it isn't. There is a reason Canada MADE SURE they left it out of NAFTA. If water isn't a commodity, then what is it? Should we share our resource(?) with the United States and Mexico free of charge? Quote
punked Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 If water isn't a commodity, then what is it? Should we share our resource(?) with the United States and Mexico free of charge? It is an essential resource which was left out of NAFTA so we never trade it away so that the US can outbid the people of this nation for its water. The questions you ask are the stupidest things I have ever read. The NDP are a PROTECTIONIST party Canadians first. How about you focus your attacks you are all over the board and your attacks make no sense what so ever. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Well, I know that myself, I would be in favour of SELLING California as much "clean and crisp BC water" as BC feels it can safely spare! One would assume that BC would know far better than Ottawa or anyone else just how much fresh water it has in excess. The province itself should control its own resource, putting limits on how much the Americans could buy. Also, it goes without saying that the money should go to BC and NOT Ottawa! I agree, like oil in Alberta or hydro power in Quebec, we (BC Taxpayers) should gain any benefits from it's sale...... Quote
punked Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 I agree, like oil in Alberta or hydro power in Quebec, we (BC Taxpayers) should gain any benefits from it's sale...... Great you better call up the Conservatives and tell them to get rid of NAFTA then. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 It is an essential resource which was left out of NAFTA so we never trade it away so that the US can outbid the people of this nation for its water. The questions you ask are the stupidest things I have ever read. The NDP are a PROTECTIONIST party Canadians first. How about you focus your attacks you are all over the board and your attacks make no sense what so ever. Have I attacked your intelligence? Have I called you stupid? I've asked questions, and am quite willing to engage in a debate with others, but really, the personal attacks.....Do you still live with your parents? But, I'll ask you again, is the NDP in favor of creating monetary policy in regards to setting interest rates? Also, from your above post, am I correct in thinking you/NDP is in favor of selling water to the United States (Granted outside of NAFTA), after of course Canadians needs are met, for a profit? Quote
punked Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Have I attacked your intelligence? Have I called you stupid? I've asked questions, and am quite willing to engage in a debate with others, but really, the personal attacks.....Do you still live with your parents? But, I'll ask you again, is the NDP in favor of creating monetary policy in regards to setting interest rates? Also, from your above post, am I correct in thinking you/NDP is in favor of selling water to the United States (Granted outside of NAFTA), after of course Canadians needs are met, for a profit? No you have asked the same question a 100 different ways trying to get the answer you want because you have an idea what you believe the NDP stands for even though they don't. That is the problem. You keep rephrasing the same question and I am going to keep giving you the same answer. The NDP favors the samething all other parties do when it comes to monetary policy. "If their is significant disagreement with the bank of Canada the finance minster though writing can change the policy of the bank." This is the stance of ALL parties in the house. So I am giving an answer you might not like the fact the NDP takes the same stance as the Conservatives on this one but that is life deal with it. Stop asking the same question. No we CAN NOT SELL our water supply once we do that it becomes a commodity and as such is subject to many rules. Not only would it open it up to NAFTA but the WTO could get involved. You actually open Canada up to having sell OUR water to China before we make sure we have enough to drink and water our fields. No one wants to sell our water it would be the biggest mistake any Canadian government ever made. Is that clear enough? Quote
Guest Derek L Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 No you have asked the same question a 100 different ways trying to get the answer you want because you have an idea what you believe the NDP stands for even though they don't. That is the problem. You keep rephrasing the same question and I am going to keep giving you the same answer. The NDP favors the samething all other parties do when it comes to monetary policy. "If their is significant disagreement with the bank of Canada the finance minster though writing can change the policy of the bank." This is the stance of ALL parties in the house. So I am giving an answer you might not like the fact the NDP takes the same stance as the Conservatives on this one but that is life deal with it. Stop asking the same question. Why did Mr. Layton bring up the subject about changing interest rates in a media scrum a few weeks back? No we CAN NOT SELL our water supply once we do that it becomes a commodity and as such is subject to many rules. Not only would it open it up to NAFTA but the WTO could get involved. You actually open Canada up to having sell OUR water to China before we make sure we have enough to drink and water our fields. No one wants to sell our water it would be the biggest mistake any Canadian government ever made.Is that clear enough? So you're opposed to current Canadian companies selling bottled water overseas? If so, what would you/NDP do to stop this? Quote
Bryan Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 Well, you seem to be ignoring the word democratic. When a country feels the need to insist that they are "Democratic", it usually means that they aren't. It was East Germany that was the Democratic Republic. It's North Korea that is the Democratic Republic. Cuba insists that their system is Democratic Socialism. Quote
punked Posted May 12, 2011 Report Posted May 12, 2011 (edited) Why did Mr. Layton bring up the subject about changing interest rates in a media scrum a few weeks back? He brought up the idea of forcing those who borrow from the bank of Canada at a set interest rate having to charge only so much above that set interest rate. Seems like if a bank wants to borrow from the Canadian people then the Canadian people should be allowed to set terms like any other lender. Wouldn't you say? What is crazy about having that discussion? So you're opposed to current Canadian companies selling bottled water overseas? If so, what would you/NDP do to stop this? We addressed in like 1990 with a bill it is called the water preservation act. Anyway once you bottle the water, it becomes a good and is no longer a resource. You are basically selling the bottle not the water so the water and the rights to said water do not open up Canadian water to the US. The NDP would do nothing to stop this because no one was crazy enough when signing NAFTA to not make sure bottled water was exempt from selling the actual resource of water. I think you need to read the water preservation act to understand why bottle water, and water are two different things. Edited May 12, 2011 by punked Quote
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