jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Transfer payments etc aren't exactly a subsidy for separatism per se... In effect they are a subsidy for separatism, since they allow a higher level of both government spending and standard of living than they could otherwise afford. This in turn takes off the table the "nation's" independent economic viability. Edited May 11, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 But dang close. Quebec gets way more of all things than any other province. And with all their natural resources, I still can't figure out why, unless it is corruption. Really?? Other than hydro-electric stuff and asbestos and timber...What resources does Quebec have??? What planet are you on,Oil Boy??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 In fact, it isn't. Treason is quite clearly spelled out in the Criminal Code: ***************** Separatism is fine so long as it is pursued within the bounds of the law; there's a formula by which a prvince may secede from Canada. There were separatists in the federal parliament the first day it convened in 1867. [sp] Then why did Louis Riel hang? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Seccesh can rot in the halls of the House of Commons for 4 years and then go away... No party status... Edited May 11, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
msj Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Then why did Louis Riel hang? Oh, I don't know. Maybe it was because he led a military confrontation with the Canadian government in 1885? Or maybe he was tried for treason but executed for the murder of Thomas Scott. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Then why did Louis Riel hang? I think some RCMP predecessors being dead may have had something to do with it. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Then why did Louis Riel hang? Likely because he led an armed rebellion and ordered a murder. Quote
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Really?? Other than hydro-electric stuff and asbestos and timber...What resources does Quebec have??? What planet are you on,Oil Boy??? Other than???? Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I think some RCMP predecessors being dead may have had something to do with it. Right... Ithad more to do with Riel being a murderous lunatic than his hairbrained rebellion ideas... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) Other than???? Yes.. The James Bay Hydro project..Good... Asbestos?? Selling to 3rd world countries that have next to no health regulations...I mean,you would'nt want that stuff insulating the pipes in your house,would you? Timber?? We kinda,sorta,signed a particularily shitty one sided deal with our "friends" to the South which has boxed in the softwood lumber industry,did'nt we??? Much of Quebec in manufacturing and industrial,like Southern Onatrio..And that's working out so well,at the moment.... Edited May 11, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
RNG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Yes.. The James Bay Hydro project..Good... Asbestos?? Selling to 3rd world countries that have next to no health regulations...I mean,you would'nt want that stuff insulating the pipes in your house,would you? Timber?? We kinda,sorta,signed a particularily shitty one sided deal with our "friends" to the South which has boxed in the softwood lumber industry,did'nt we??? Much of Quebec in manufacturing and industrial,like Southern Onatrio..And that's working out so well,at the moment.... BC is making out like a bandit selling lumber to the Chinese. Why are you/they waiting? Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
jbg Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 I think some RCMP predecessors being dead may have had something to do with it. Likely because he led an armed rebellion and ordered a murder. Wasn't he charged with and convicted of treason? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) BC is making out like a bandit selling lumber to the Chinese. Why are you/they waiting? Don't know?? Perhaps Quebec is too... I do seem to recall watching soemthing a few weeks back about how many of the lumber mills in the BC interior are'nt doing so well because of the bad softwood lumber deal and that housing downturn in the US... As far as China goes,do ya' think geography has something to do with that along with a large Chinese ex-par population that has connection in China?? As far me,I'm a welder... In case you have'nt figured this out yet,wood is NOT great conductor of electricity.... Edited May 11, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Wasn't he charged with and convicted of treason? Yes. A Canadian leading an armed rebellion against the Crown and its forces constitutes treason today, and likely did back then, as well. Quote
Smallc Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 But dang close. Quebec gets way more of all things than any other province. No they don't. They get less per capita that most other provinces on the receiving end. Quote
Smallc Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Much of Quebec in manufacturing and industrial,like Southern Onatrio..And that's working out so well,at the moment.... In the next few years, they may find money given the recent discoveries of vast amounts of natural gas, and the possible existence of further vast amounts of oil. Plan Nord is probably going to change things for Quebec. Right now, they're in the same boat as every other province that doesn't have massive amounts of resource revenue. BCs resources only just manage to keep it over the equalization line. A few measly dollars per capita separate BC and Ontario economically. Manitoba is also nearly identical, but doesn't have the tax potential that BC does, reducing it much further into have not status. Quebec, like the maritimes, is further behind, and that is a bit it's own fault (chasing away businesses with referendums), but most of that have to do with location and historical industries that just aren't doing that well. Quote
Benz Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) In the U.S. we settled that issue at Appommatox. I thought in your country, likewise, at the Plains of Abraham and the hanging of Louis Riel. Killing your own brothers because they want to seperate is an american thing. The canadians are not like that. Sometimes I may look very "offensive" to my fellow anglos but, I do recognize they are 10 times more civilized than the americans. That is also why even if I want sovereignty for Québec, I am 100% willing to agree on a respectable union. Americans would kill each others just to keep the union unified no matter what. You created a monster. Edited May 11, 2011 by Benz Quote
Benz Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Perhaps the number should reduced from 12 to 8 or something but, the Bloc must understand that with only 4, it is pointless to get a party status. Quote
bloodyminded Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Killing your own brothers because they want to seperate is an american thing. The canadians are not like that. Sometimes I may look very "offensive" to my angle fellows but, I do recognize they are 10 times more civilized than the americans. That is also why even if I want sovereignty for Québec, I am 100% willing to agree on a respectable union. Americans would kill each others just to keep the union unified no matter what. You created a monster. I can't really see any of this. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Jack Weber Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Killing your own brothers because they want to seperate is an american thing. The canadians are not like that. Sometimes I may look very "offensive" to my angle fellows but, I do recognize they are 10 times more civilized than the americans. That is also why even if I want sovereignty for Québec, I am 100% willing to agree on a respectable union. Americans would kill each others just to keep the union unified no matter what. You created a monster. As an Anglo who prescribes the Trudeau method of dealing with secessionists in Quebec circa October,1970... Who says I would want a "respectable union" with the likes of secessionists in Quebec??? Kinda presumptuous of you,is'nt it? You do realize that,in the event you folks were actually successful in this,that you would end up with what was essentially Lower Canada,right? 2/3rds of what looks like Quebec would revert back to the Cree indian tribe through treaty's signed at Confederation...It looks like the Fathers of Confederation were fairly forward thinking,were'nt they? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Tilter Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 (edited) No, in fact it isn't. By your definition not treason, by mine, especially when it involves murder, kidnapping and extortion --- treason . Bygone years but the same traitors under a different name Edited May 11, 2011 by Tilter Quote
cybercoma Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 The rule is 12 in the commons or 5 in the senate. The PCs would have qualified based on their senate representation. Makes sense, but do you have a source for that information? I would like to read more about it. I suppose I could check Parliament's website. Quote
g_bambino Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 By your definition not treason, by mine, especially when it involves murder, kidnapping and extortion --- treason . Bygone years but the same traitors under a different name When has the Bloc or the PQ ever advocated murder, kidnapping, or extortion? Quote
TimG Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Makes sense, but do you have a source for that information? I would like to read more about it. I suppose I could check Parliament's website.Wikipedia and my memory. That said, I seem to recall that having party status in the senate was not exactly the same so the BQ may be off base when it claims the PC party had party status. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 11, 2011 Report Posted May 11, 2011 Wikipedia and my memory. That said, I seem to recall that having party status in the senate was not exactly the same so the BQ may be off base when it claims the PC party had party status. I don't know that the BQ claimed that. Also, I think the 5 senate seats you mentioned only give the party OPS in the Senate, but not the lower house. They MPs in the lower house still would not be able to ask questions during question period, and I'm not sure about how the funding for research offices would work. Quote
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