lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 wow seriously? A nigh on 3 decade old new story, this is the desperation level of the tories now? How very sad. That aside, why do I even care what any politician does in his free time, and further why is it anyone elses buisiness? Just a prime example of how the CPC wants to dictate peoples private lives. Who from the CPC revealed this story? Who? Quote
DrGreenthumb Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Are you saying the Conservatives are behind the Layton story? Are you very confident? It doesn't seem like much of a stretch considering their attempt on Ignatieff a couple of days ago with the fake picture. What junior staffer will they fire over this one? Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I may not vote NDP now. Wow. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Handsome Rob Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Ensign? That presidential candidate who's wife had cancer and he was "romancing" one of his staff? (Damn, I see his face but can't catch the name.) - Got it, Edwards. Not to mention all the closet gays that ended up resigning. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_spitzer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Foley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Allen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Lee_%28politician%29 She has a point though, perhaps it's not the public that cares, but the media certainly has cross-hairs and double-taps. American woman, that is the perception up here, I would say. Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Wow. I know. This story has shaken me. Who do you recommend bm? Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 It doesn't seem like much of a stretch considering their attempt on Ignatieff a couple of days ago with the fake picture. What junior staffer will they fire over this one? Do you have actual proof, or are you just talking out of your ass again? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Ensign? That presidential candidate who's wife had cancer and he was "romancing" one of his staff? (Damn, I see his face but can't catch the name.) - Got it, Edwards. Not to mention all the closet gays that ended up resigning. That presidential candidate had his day in the sun. He didn't lose the election because of any sex scandal. But the reality is, actually having had a real, proven affair, admitting to it, and having a child as a result, is not comparable to a 'sex scandal' such as Layton's; a scandal manufactured in people's minds for the most part, and I don't believe for a minute that the same situation as Edwards wouldn't have the same effect in Canada as it did in the U.S. Furthermore, "all the closet gays" who you are referring to "resigned". At least according to you; I'm not sure who you are referring to. That's a bit different from "losing support" because "the majority of the public cared," wouldn't you say? It's no proof at all as to what the majority of the public thought of the them, their situations (whatever it was) or whether the majority of the public "cared." I can see what a media circus this whole Layton thing has turned out to be, I can see what a huge topic of discussion it is on the web board. I can see what the opposition is making of it, and I can say it's the same as in the US of A. And I will add that none of those things speak for "the majority of the public," which "cares" about such things as much in Canada as it would in the US of A. Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I know. This story has shaken me. Who do you recommend bm? The story has "shaken" you, while you're terming other posters "sissies"? I recommend the NDP, since you asked. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest American Woman Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 I know. This story has shaken me. Who do you recommend bm? I would recommend any good therapist, who would hopefully help you get you over being so easily shaken. Quote
RNG Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 That presidential candidate had his day in the sun. He didn't lose the election because of any sex scandal. But the reality is, actually having had a real, proven affair, admitting to it, and having a child as a result, is not comparable to a 'sex scandal' such as Layton's; a scandal manufactured in people's minds for the most part, and I don't believe for a minute that the same situation as Edwards wouldn't have the same effect in Canada as it did in the U.S. Furthermore, "all the closet gays" who you are referring to "resigned". At least according to you; I'm not sure who you are referring to. That's a bit different from "losing support" because "the majority of the public cared," wouldn't you say? It's no proof at all as to what the majority of the public thought of the them, their situations (whatever it was) or whether the majority of the public "cared." I can see what a media circus this whole Layton thing has turned out to be, I can see what a huge topic of discussion it is on the web board. I can see what the opposition is making of it, and I can say it's the same as in the US of A. And I will add that none of those things speak for "the majority of the public," which "cares" about such things as much in Canada as it would in the US of A. Whether the "wide stance" dude resigned or was forced out by the party, even though Joe the Plumber didn't care is something I can't comment on. On a different aspect of your post, this "scandal" is big news on this board, but our local paper had a page 7, bottom left story about this with the major thrust being Sun News is offal. And both the CBC and CTV websites have minor references to in buried deep in the bowls of their cyberspace, with captions that don't really elicit much interest. I'm in fact surprised how little mass media attention this story is getting. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Sandy MacNab Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Who from the CPC revealed this story? Who? After watching politics for over 50 years, I'd say this revelation came from the LIBERAL party. It is the party that has been replaced by the NDP (Layton) and is desperate to claw its way back to number two. It's also typical of Liberal ethics and morality. Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 The story has "shaken" you, while you're terming other posters "sissies"? I recommend the NDP, since you asked. People who cry over someone's comments are sissies. Free speech should be for all, not just the left. If I decide to stop working for a living in the near future, then I may support the NDP. Maybe living off the government is a good way to go about it. Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 After watching politics for over 50 years, I'd say this revelation came from the LIBERAL party. It is the party that has been replaced by the NDP (Layton) and is desperate to claw its way back to number two. It's also typical of Liberal ethics and morality. I just want Dr grrenthumb to give me proof that it was the CPC, as he is quite certain. i like facts, not hearsay. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Do you have actual proof, or are you just talking out of your ass again? Do you have actual proof is a question you would think a news organization would ask before they published a bunch of hearsay from an ex-policeman who says he has an ax to grind. Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Do you have actual proof is a question you would think a news organization would ask before they published a bunch of hearsay from an ex-policeman who says he has an ax to grind. Has Layton denied going to this place in question? Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 People who cry over someone's comments are sissies. Unlike people who are "shaken" by a re-dredged story with no clear answers about a political leader they don't like? Free speech should be for all, not just the left. Since you're not of "the left," and you are speaking your midn right now, any point you might be trying to make seems to be evaporating. If I decide to stop working for a living in the near future, then I may support the NDP. Maybe living off the government is a good way to go about it. I work for a living, so what are you talking about? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest American Woman Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Whether the "wide stance" dude resigned or was forced out by the party, even though Joe the Plumber didn't care is something I can't comment on. So perhaps you shouldn't comment on it then. On a different aspect of your post, this "scandal" is big news on this board, but our local paper had a page 7, bottom left story about this with the major thrust being Sun News is offal. And both the CBC and CTV websites have minor references to in buried deep in the bowls of their cyberspace, with captions that don't really elicit much interest. I'm in fact surprised how little mass media attention this story is getting. I've seen it picked up by every major Canadian news source, hardly "buried." My local paper, on the other hand, would care about a similar situation in the US about as much as yours apparently did. Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Has Layton denied going to this place in question? That isn't all the story was about now was it? Has the place in question been proven to be anything but a massage parlor? Quote
lukin Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 That isn't all the story was about now was it? Has the place in question been proven to be anything but a massage parlor? That's one of the things our fair and balanced media should be investigating. Don't you agree? Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 That's one of the things our fair and balanced media should be investigating. Don't you agree? The media should be reporting on things that are actually worth reporting, not on the fact that a certain politician went to get a massage 15 years ago and was not choosey enough in his choice of establishment. Don't you agree? Quote
punked Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 That's one of the things our fair and balanced media should be investigating. Don't you agree? Sure maybe they should investigate it before, they take the word of a police officer who is now being investigated by the Toronto police department, and publish the story eh? That is what fair and balanced media would do. Media for idiots would just publish it with no verification. That is why the sun will be sued for defamation. Quote
RNG Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Sure maybe they should investigate it before, they take the word of a police officer who is now being investigated by the Toronto police department, and publish the story eh? That is what fair and balanced media would do. Media for idiots would just publish it with no verification. That is why the sun will be sued for defamation. I don't know the laws about an ex-cop leaking information. But from everything I have heard or read, the Sun story reported what the cop reported. They didn't say that Layton was playing hide-the-wienie. They left that up to the imagination of the listeners. So I don't think they can get done for libel. Maybe for aiding and assisting the "crime" the ex-cop committed but not for libel. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Who's Doing What? Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 Meh, the moment has passed for me. My wife didn't think it was a big deal either. I was running through the house proclaiming this big news about Layton. She said I was carrying on like he had died or something...lol. Maybe it's overblown a bit. You're married????? Now that is a shocking news story. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Sandy MacNab Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 The media should be reporting on things that are actually worth reporting, not on the fact that a certain politician went to get a massage 15 years ago and was not choosey enough in his choice of establishment. Don't you agree? That's about the best one can say about it. On the other hand maybe he's so stupid he didn't know any better OR he really was there for a rub and tug. In any event, he should have known the establishment's reputation (it wasn't a secret). Doesn't say much about his decision making or his good taste. Quote
CANADIEN Posted April 30, 2011 Report Posted April 30, 2011 (edited) I don't know the laws about an ex-cop leaking information. But from everything I have heard or read, the Sun story reported what the cop reported. They didn't say that Layton was playing hide-the-wienie. They left that up to the imagination of the listeners. So I don't think they can get done for libel. Maybe for aiding and assisting the "crime" the ex-cop committed but not for libel. You are right. What they did was sleezy, but hardly libellous. Edited April 30, 2011 by CANADIEN Quote
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