punked Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 Point made. You're not as dumb as I think you look. I'll take it as a compliment. Quote
Hydraboss Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 I never thought I would say this, but... it would appear that having the NDP in second place is actually the natural order of things. It does make sense when you look around the world. Either the management controls or the unions do. Back and forth till eternity. It's happening right now in almost every city in Canada. The poor, ridiculed management team who really have never done any harm to anyone. And the pro-union thugs who try to lie and cheat and steal and insult the unfairly demonized members of the management team. It's just so clear. (Punked, in case it's still broken, your sarcasm meter should be bleeping and vibrating by now) Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
punked Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 I never thought I would say this, but... it would appear that having the NDP in second place is actually the natural order of things. It does make sense when you look around the world. Either the management controls or the unions do. Back and forth till eternity. It's happening right now in almost every city in Canada. The poor, ridiculed management team who really have never done any harm to anyone. And the pro-union thugs who try to lie and cheat and steal and insult the unfairly demonized members of the management team. It's just so clear. (Punked, in case it's still broken, your sarcasm meter should be bleeping and vibrating by now) I am just pointing out in every other first past the post system it is between a Labor party and a Conservative party. Want me to name them? UK- Labour vs. Cons Australia- Labour vs. Cons New Zealand- Labour vs. Cons Pakistan- Peoples Party(A Labour party) vs. Muslim League (Conservative) Mexico- Democratic Revolution(A Labour party) vs. National Action Party (Conservative) The list goes on. I think South Korea might be one of the only countries left where Liberals are party with a shot. Quote
Hydraboss Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 Actually, I'm not disagreeing. What you said makes sense...just never thought about it that way. What's really nice is that now I can explain my hatred for Liberals with data. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Posc Student Posted May 2, 2011 Author Report Posted May 2, 2011 The NDP will have a lot of pressure on their hands possibly being the official opposition or in government and their future will likely depend on how their new MPs do. It's not very often you get a party that the majority of the caucus are brand new. Quote
punked Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 The NDP will have a lot of pressure on their hands possibly being the official opposition or in government and their future will likely depend on how their new MPs do. It's not very often you get a party that the majority of the caucus are brand new. 1993- Over half the Liberal caucus was new 1984- Over Half the Conservative caucus was new 1958- Over Half the Conservative caucus was new 1962- Over Half the Liberal caucus was new Just by the way our system works when the government changes you get a majority of the caucus is new. I feel like you like making blanket statements but usually as a rule blanket statements about politics are wrong. Quote
Hydraboss Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 [quote name='punked' date='01 May 2011 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1304307168' post='666389' Just by the way our system works when the government changes you get a majority of the caucus is new. Okay but we're not just talking "new". We're talking about a group of people that accepted the nomination as a prank. They (and everybody else) never imagined they would even register when it came to results, never mind win a seat. Some of your people are doing bong hits at parties or keg stands on vacation while the votes are cast. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
Posc Student Posted May 2, 2011 Author Report Posted May 2, 2011 1993- Over half the Liberal caucus was new 1984- Over Half the Conservative caucus was new 1958- Over Half the Conservative caucus was new 1962- Over Half the Liberal caucus was new Just by the way our system works when the government changes you get a majority of the caucus is new. I feel like you like making blanket statements but usually as a rule blanket statements about politics are wrong. I'm just brining up the fact that having a caucus that the majority are brand new, and possibly people who never ran to win, is much harder then have a caucus that was slowly built into one that is larger. I know it has happened before but it doesn't mean it was easy for those parties. Quote
kitt Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 Michael Ignatieff will be the next Liberal party leader ;p Quote
cybercoma Posted May 2, 2011 Report Posted May 2, 2011 I feel like you like making blanket statements but usually as a rule blanket statements about politics are wrong. Are you making a blanket statement about blanket statements? Quote
punked Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 (edited) I'm not to familiar with the riding or anything but the NDP didn't even get 15% of the vote in that riding in 2008 and they came in third. The Liberal candidate is Rana Sarkar who was President and Chief Executive Officer of the Canada-India Business Council, he also worked in Derek Lee's office and has an impressive resume. This must be a real big star for the NDP if she has a shot at winning. Guess she must have been a real big star eh? Schooled! I was just telling you what I heard from the ground and you dismissed it! Edited May 4, 2011 by punked Quote
cybercoma Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 The Liberal Party needs to stop nominating old, grey-haired, white dudes. The need to re-energize the party and engage with a broader demographic. Picking someone like Rae or LeBlanc will just make the party look like more of the same. They need to go big. They need to nominate a strong woman to the leadership. Who that would be, I don't know, but it's time. Quote
Posc Student Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Posted May 4, 2011 The Liberal Party needs to stop nominating old, grey-haired, white dudes. The need to re-energize the party and engage with a broader demographic. Picking someone like Rae or LeBlanc will just make the party look like more of the same. They need to go big. They need to nominate a strong woman to the leadership. Who that would be, I don't know, but it's time. Kirsty Duncan? Quote
WWWTT Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 Okay but we're not just talking "new". We're talking about a group of people that accepted the nomination as a prank. They (and everybody else) never imagined they would even register when it came to results, never mind win a seat. Some of your people are doing bong hits at parties or keg stands on vacation while the votes are cast. You have a cite to prove this or is this just more of your fluff opinion! Youth is very important and it brings a powerful element to the table that many underestimate! Whenever you say "every body else" you mean everybody with their head in the sand in Alberta! Get ready to watch your little world crumble piece by piece when the NDP start picking away at Fort Saskatchewan and Alberta. Its a tuff nut for sure and it may leave a bad taste in your mouth but when I last checked that Edmonton seat is still in the hands of the NDP! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Posc Student Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Posted May 4, 2011 I wish I had run for the NDP in Quebec. :angry: Quote
Molly Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 I wish I had run for the NDP in Quebec. :angry: Don't we all! Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Topaz Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 The Liberal Party needs to stop nominating old, grey-haired, white dudes. The need to re-energize the party and engage with a broader demographic. Picking someone like Rae or LeBlanc will just make the party look like more of the same. They need to go big. They need to nominate a strong woman to the leadership. Who that would be, I don't know, but it's time. [/quote Well is now the Tories with those old grey-hair members and O'Connor has to be the oldest, is 70! I can see what is wrong with Rae, too much baggage from Ontario but what is wrong with LeBlanc??? You have to have someone with experience in the House and the way the government works. Quote
Shwa Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 Kirsty Duncan? Nope. Maybe one day, but not now. What the LPC needs first - is a re-tooling of their philosophy to reflect the 21st century. Then they need someone who can go into Parliament, be aggressive and take a principled stand - fluently, in both official languages - based on the new philosophy of the centre. Did I say aggressive? Mr. Ignatieff was Caspar Milquetoast. The well-mannered, reflective intellects may be good for the backroom or some quaint ministry, but they just won't do as a party leader. What the LPC needs is as 'just watch me' attitude with a clear vision to what the future can hold. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 They need that "just watch" me attitude, but I think it would be best if they could find it from a woman. They need Sandra Pupatello from Windsor to move into federal politics. She has been kicking ass as an MPP for years. She has a no-nonsense attitude and gets things done for her constituents. The only problem is that I don't see her unseating Brian Masse or Joe Comartin. She may, however, just be waiting for Comartin to retire. Quote
Posc Student Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Posted May 4, 2011 Siobhan Coady could have be excellent, it's unbelievable someone of her strength could not get re-elected. Quote
Posc Student Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Posted May 4, 2011 They need that "just watch" me attitude, but I think it would be best if they could find it from a woman. They need Sandra Pupatello from Windsor to move into federal politics. She has been kicking ass as an MPP for years. She has a no-nonsense attitude and gets things done for her constituents. The only problem is that I don't see her unseating Brian Masse or Joe Comartin. She may, however, just be waiting for Comartin to retire. Her husband was the joke that became leader of the NL Liberals but was booted after two or three months. Quote
Topaz Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 Siobhan Coady could have be excellent, it's unbelievable someone of her strength could not get re-elected. I also agree with you, I liked the way she took on Baird in the committee meeting when he came in saying, deal with me! Quote
Posc Student Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Posted May 4, 2011 I also agree with you, I liked the way she took on Baird in the committee meeting when he came in saying, deal with me! She can duke it out with the best of them. She's also very educated and had run a number of companies. Denis Coderre is calling on Bob Rae to become interim leader for the next two years and then hold their convention. Quote
capricorn Posted May 4, 2011 Report Posted May 4, 2011 Denis Coderre is calling on Bob Rae to become interim leader for the next two years and then hold their convention. If Rae declares his intention to run for the leadership I would expect that disqualifies him. A potential leadership candidate should not be selected interim leader. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Posc Student Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Posted May 4, 2011 If Rae declares his intention to run for the leadership I would expect that disqualifies him. A potential leadership candidate should not be selected interim leader. I guess Coderre doesn't think he'll run permanently. Carolyn Bennett would be an interesting choice for interim leader. Quote
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